Why is it Bowe did better against Prime Holyfield than Lennox did vs Past it Evander

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  1. SonnyListonsJab

    SonnyListonsJab Active Member Full Member

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    Always wondered this. I am really starting to get skeptical about whether lewis could have handled bowe in 92-93...I really have my doubts.
     
  2. Muchmoore

    Muchmoore Guest

    A more varied and imo better offensive arsenal.
     
  3. Big Red

    Big Red Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Watching the fights at the time I don't think to many people would have favored Lewis over Bowe. I think most people who think Lewis would have beat a prime Bowe are younger and did not watch all the fights. I even see some people point at Bowe's performance against Golata as proof that Lewis would beat Bowe in his prime, which is laughable.
     
  4. quarry

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    Lewis is the most over-rated Heavyweight ever
     
  5. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    I honestly think Bowe and Holyfield in November 1992 were just at a higher level than Lewis and Holyfield in 1999.
    Look at these cats :

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r70Ap4Q9H5Q[/ame]
     
  6. Goyourownway

    Goyourownway Insanity enthusiast Full Member

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    Completely different styles.Lewis was a straight up boxer that was guilty of being overly cautious at times,and while Bowe was a capable outside boxer himself,he had his success against Holyfield due to his own suberb in-fighting abilities against a Holyfield that was only too happy to engage him in that particular area.
     
  7. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Yes, as when Holyfield got inside, Bowe had the tools to fight him in there too and get the better of it. Lewis was strictly boxing at long range with Holyfield.
     
  8. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Nah, Tyson is.
     
  9. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Lewis would have got beat had they actually fought around that time. But the Lewis of the late 90's would have beaten the Bowe of 92. The one from 1997-2000.
     
  10. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Define better.

    Lewis won the first fight by 9-3 and the second fight by 8-4 or if you're generous 7-5, that said, I do agree that Bowe fought a better version of Holyfield, but that aside, the style between the fights were night and day.

    Bowe turned it into an inside fight and Holyfield allowed for that and the bigger guy, who also had great inside fighting skills won.

    Against Lewis, it was more a matter of the type of fight Lewis wanted it to be, which was more of an outside fight. It's certainly not as entertaining, but Lewis definately won both those fights.
     
  11. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree and after I posted my comments I realized yours were very similar.:good
     
  12. Iceveins

    Iceveins Puglistic Linguistics Full Member

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    We know styles make fights. By the time Holyfield fought Lewis he wasn't the same force he was when he lost his first bout to Bowe...He wasn't as willing to trade shots as much as he was willing to move and use boxing craft.

    Of course, not even debatable.
     
  13. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bingo. Spot on analysis. Lewis was more of a cautious outside fighter against the elite. Bowe and Holyfield were willing to engage each other.
     
  14. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree that using the Bowe performance against Golata to assess how Bowe would have don't against Lewis is laughable, but what's not laughable is that they had a signed contract to fight, and Bowe, who also had the added incentive of wanting to avenge his Olympic defeat, threw his belt in the garbage instead of honoring his legal commitment to fight Lewis.

    If you think about it, it's one of the greatest legacy errors in boxing history, because if Bowe would have won, he'd have been both a prime Holyfield and a prime Lewis and he'd be discussed amount them and likely would have a strong case of being ranked higher than them, and instead is an also ran in the ranking discussion between Lewis, Holyfield and Tyson.
     
  15. crippet

    crippet Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's all to do with styles and Evander fought the wrong fight against Bowe but could adapt and won the seconds whereas, he never looked like beating Lewis.

    We could ask why did Bowe struggle against Golota when Lewis blew him away.
    Same as why did Tyson have 2 struggles with Ruddock whilst Lewis blasted him out easily.
    But regards Evander why did Holyfield go 2-2-1 against Moorer and Ruiz whereas Tua dispatched them both in less than a combined round.
    If one had an agenda one would deduce that Tua would oblitorate Holyfield, and it can't be coincidence that Holy never tackled Tua.
    But i'll leave it to everyone else to decide whether the original poster is asking such a naive question with an agenda in mind...