Has anyone seen LaMotta vs Cerdan?

I don't understand.
You say Cerdan was thrown by LaMotta ....... but you don't think that throwing is illegal ?

 

Especially this

 

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It's the truth.

 

The only truth is Jake Lamotta dominated Marcel Cerdan. He also has a far better resume and legacy. Lamotta will always be rated over cerdan. Lamotta fans speak the truth. Cerdan fans are full of delusions "Coulda woulda shoulda".

 

He didn't throw him. It was a half punch, half punch with his left hook. Nothing Lamotta did was illegal. Despite being hurt, Lamotta continued to pummel cerdan round after round, including the first round when cerdan was at full strength and lamotta still dominated him.


Jake Lamotta > Marcel Cerdan

 

I didn't know this was a "Cerdan fanboys v LaMotta fanboys" debate.
I don't think most on this thread see it like that either.
You might be the only one ..... perhaps SuzieQ49 does too. :hey

The truth is that Cerdan seemed to be badly hampered by his injury in efforts to defend himself. We can assume he tried but the handicap was too much to allow him to throw that left more.
Now, that doesn't mean he would have won without the injury. It's just a point about the fight that everyone should recognize.

As for "resume" "legacy" "rating" - that's a completely different discussion.

 

Well, you did say :

You've gone from saying one thing "he was thrown down" to saying the opposite "He didn't throw him" ...... within a couple of pages.

I'll be fair and let you form a firmer opinion before I debate this with you further.

 

Everyone should also recognize Lamotta had a badly injured hand yet still continued to dominate cerdan. I don't think you understand this part. Lamotta, like cerdan, was injured too.

 

Yeah, I understand that. And I give LaMotta full credit for his heart and toughness.

 

Cerdan was injured fair and square. Nothing illegal about it. Upon viewing those images i uploaded for the forum, it was much more of a left hook punch/push than a throw.

 

True, but an injury that wasn't so bad as to prevent him from using both of his hands. Cerdan's injury was obviously much more severe as he was only able to use one.

Cerdan was able to go into the late rounds against Jake LaMotta using only one arm(and his lesser one at that). I think it's fair to wonder what a two-fisted Cerdan might have been able to achieve.

 

How can you watch the film and say that LaMotta illegally wrestled Cerdan to the canvas? The film clearly shows the two fighters in the middle of a mixup with LaMotta bulling in on Cerdan and throwing punches, the two get tangled and Cerdan goes down. No judge or referee in his right mind would dock LaMotta a point for that. People wanna argue that Cerdan was hampered and Jake was not. Thats one way of looking at it, the other is that Jake wanted it more and worked through his injury. I seem to recall Vitali Klitchko quitting due to a shoulder injury against Chris Byrd and for years he never lived that down. Why should we give Cerdan a free pass for the same thing?

Cerdan was very carefully matched there is no denying that. He was carefully matched in his own country before he ever even came to the states. People rave about how great he looks on film or how he looked in person but at the same time you have to take into account who he was fighting. Careful matchmaking can a make a guy look like freaking superman. I think Cerdan was unproven at the highest levels of the sport and I, like others here see his style being made for LaMotta. Regardless, for some reason people have for years felt the need to try to rewrite history and say "if he werent injured" or "what if" **** that. Two men entered that ring that night and at the end one man was standing. The other guy quit. Both had detrimental injuries caused legimately in the heat of combat. Like I said, no excuses. Anything else is just pure fantasy and speculation.

 

After the second round he never threw his left hand and did not utilize it even for a jab. "He's right-hand crazy," ringsiders howled as the Frenchman even used the right hand for a lead. It was apparent that he wasn't the same fighter who whipped rugged Tony Zale for the championship last September.-- Detroit Free Press