what do you think of this ATG Middleweight List

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by quarry, Jun 5, 2011.


  1. quarry

    quarry Guest

    1/. Monzon
    2/. Hagler
    3/. Greb
    4/. Ketchel
    5/. Robinson
    6/. Hopkins
    7/. Flowers
    8/. Burley
    9/. LaMotta
    10/. Apostoli
     
  2. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thats an excellent list! I could think of 3 or 4 fighters who might replace Apostoli at 10, but the middleweight division is historicaly deep. Nice list man, its good to se we can agree on some things. :good
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Excellent List. I would have Robinson ahead of Ketchel but the argument can be made either way.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Holman Williams should be on there, above Hopkins who is a little to high. Robinson should be higher. It's ok.
     
  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Though many will disagree, I don't think that either Monzon or Hagler has an argument for the #1 slot.

    Flowers at 7 is perhaps a little too high.

    Fitzsimmons and Walker should definitely be in there.
     
  6. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know enough of Fitz middleweight comp to rate him at 160, but I wouldn't have to much of an objection to Walker sneaking in at 10.

    Why do you not agree with Hagler or Monzon at 1?
     
  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I think fitz, zale and walker should be there.

    Monzon or greb are good for number 1.
     
  8. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    You're correct to have Monzon at #1. Actually #'s 2 and 3 are on target too.
     
  9. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Roy Jones, Dick Tiger

    Of course it's all subjective.
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I tend to vascilate somewhat on the placement of no 3 on...but I'm sure of Monzon at 1 and Hagler at 2.
     
  12. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The non pareil Jack Dempsey and Joe Choynski were all time great. Guys like Creedon, Hall etc were considered the best of their time. Fitz weighed in as a middleweight when he KOd Corbett. This is the best figther any middleweight has ever beaten (as a middleweight). Other notable wins against top heavyweight fighters like Ruhlin, Sharkey, Maher etc are as good as any middleweight has had. Although the opponents were heavyweights, Fitz never weighed more than just over the middleweight limit and often was within it for these fights. If required, with a bit of effort, he could have always made the limit for each of these fights.

    Many of the other nameless names listed as KOS are not as bad as most think. Most were the best fighters in their area and many were actual heavyweights.

    I dont think it is possible to do a top 10 list without Fitz, unless you put an asterix in it and note that Fitz isnt included in consideration. It is almost as bad as doing a welterweight list without Ray Robinson.
     
  13. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    I'd have Greb higher and Ketchel lower but great list none the less.
     
  14. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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