has carl froch really got the best resume at 168?..

Kessler is better than Froch, but Ward is the best

 

kessler is a good boxer but froch has a incredible streak at the moment, i was really impressed with how they both fought in Denmark that fight was close, If I remember correctly I had kessler winning 115-113 or 115-114, he edged it. I hope he fights bute next.

 

Ward has best resume at 168.

 

In terms of depth, Froch is the man.

In terms of biggest/most impressive win, Ward is the man.

 

Froch's run of fights are being drastically overrated, in my opinion. He's only had two convincing wins in this tournament, and they were against a punch-bag, and an old, past-prime veteran.

But with that said, he shits on anything Calzaghe's ever done

 

I agree, he's got a lot to prove in the final. But the tournaments a bit of a farce in my opinion...

 

I agree. Such a shame it's turned out the way it has.

The pull-outs have made the path to the final a lot easier for Ward and Froch. So much so, that the claim of winning this Super Six, is no longer as valuable as it was at the beginning of the competition when all the best fighters were still in it.

 

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Nah. He's the best fighter at 168, but doesn't have the best resume - yet. There is a big difference. Victories over Miranda, Green and Bika mean jack compared to Frochs wins over Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham and Johnson.

Of course Ward has the Kessler win which counts in his favour, but Frochs win over a washed up Reid probably means as much as the Green win for Ward. And Ward win over Abraham means less than Frochs.

 

You have to give the guy credit.

 

Hindsight - it's wonderful, isn't it? Although in fairness Abraham was out of his depth in the tournament despite being heavily fancied - it's what was liable to happen when a fighter hadn't proved their effectiveness at a weight.

Before dumping on the Johnson win, let's see what he goes on to do after the fight. Because "resumé" also encompasses defeats - it's mainly about quality of opposition one is competitive against. There's no doubt that Froch's is extremely high.

 

Hindsight or no hindsight, Abraham was a joke that night.

And I was dumping on the Johnson win before he even won it. :deal

His quality of opposition he is competitive against, is overrated in my opinion. It's good, but most on here are hailing it as something untouchable. It's OTT, especially when you consider the fact that the 168 division isn't even that talented. It's seen as being better than it actually is because of the Super Six hype it's recieved. I only rate one guy in there, and that's Ward. This will be proven when the two meet in the final.

 

The 168 division is one of the most talented in the upper divisions of the sport. It's better than the divisions surrounding it, in terms of depth as opposed to truly elite fighters - although 160 SHOULD become excellent in 2/3 years. You say you rate Ward - so do I. But you're obviously rating him based on a performance or two as opposed to depth of wins at perhaps a slightly lower (but still very high) level. Which is fine, but not so relevant in terms of the thread.

 

The majority pick in the Froch/Abraham fight was, unquestionably, Abraham by KO. I remember quite a few polls on ESB about the fight and Abraham by KO, not even just a win, usually had around 50-60% of the votes. Even "old, past prime veteran" Johnson was given a big chance. Not many people ruled him out and rightly so.

I just have an issue with revisionism, especially concerning Froch who is always targeted by this form of criticism.

 

I guess the way I’m looking at it is - how would today’s super middleweights have fared with the likes of Toney, Hopkins, Jones and Calzaghe? With this in consideration, the Super Six lot are just a collection of good fighters with excellent marketing behind them.

And I rate Ward based on his dominance of the then tournament’s favourite, Kessler, which forced me to take a closer look at him and his other fights. I see more to his game than I do with the rest of them. Which, yes, isn’t relevant to this thread because Ward’s rise to prominence has only occurred since the start of the competition.