Do you consider Pernell Whitaker "flawless"?

Inspire Duran to fight harder....or make Duran quit. Whitaker would outslick Roberto.

 

I agree, Duran migh have had to go poo again.

Whitaker had little or no trouble with the combos from Chavez and ODLH.
The latter threw fast combos, and the Pea was past prime--and still... I think this one--Whitaker-- was very, special, and might have done well at LW against anyone ever. We will never know.

 

I dont like to compare him at WW to the elites but at lightweight i think Benny Leonard gives him more trouble than any of the 40a crowd.

 

DB,I agree with you. Today ,the majority of posters do not realize that Benny Leonard was regarded just as HIGHLY as Ray Robinson was at welterweight.
When i was growing up the boxing writers of the 1940s as Dan Parker, Nat Fleischer, etc, who saw Benny Leonard in his major fights were in awe of his abilities, against the greatest array of lightweight contenders in history, such as Freddie welsh, Johnny Kilbane,Johnny Dundee, Lew Tendler, Charley White,Richie Mitchell, Ever Hammer,beat tough, tough,Soldier Bartfield, Jack Britton,and a host of other top-notchers in a SEVEN year reign. Unfortuanately all we have on film today is his 2 defeats of the great southpaw Lew Tendler,
who would have been lightweight champion in most any other time...
I have read that whenever Benny Leonard would train at Stillman's gym, boxing would come to a halt when Leonard would spar...Too bad that we truly don't have any film of the great Benny Leonard today,aside from the Tendler
victories...Too bad...Cheers :hi:

 

Who you mean like Julio Cesar Chavez Burt?

 

How d'you see Whitaker fairing against Joey Peralta burt?

 

twat

 

I have seen some sparing footage, Bennys style was so far ahead of his time. I often think that the differences in style between of yesteryear and gives an advantage to the modern fighter but with Benny id dont see this as the case. His fundamental boxing skills parallel with anyone in history. They dont make 'em like Benny anymore.

 

My sentiments exactly.

I'd stop short of saying he was "flawless" because I think Duran would've beaten him at lightweight, but that's just a case of styles making fights.

Pea was the most well-rounded, versatile and overall effective fighter I've ever seen.

Despite being tagged as a defensive fighter, I maintain that Whitaker-McGirt II is the greatest exhibition of offensive boxing ever caught on film, despite it not being Pea's best weight.

He could do EVERYTHING.

 

itry,that joke didn't succeed two years ago .atsch

 

PP, don't be cute. I said that Williams and Beau Jack had better competition
OVER ALL...julio Cesar Chavez I believe was a little past his best against whitaker, but Chavez would have done VERY well in the 1940s.OVER ALL :hi:

 

I thought Burt was referring to Jose Luis Ramirez or Harold Brazier :good

There's no doubt the 1940's had a better level of fighter than the late 80s/early 90's Pea fought in, but Whitaker handled some ok fighters too. Nelson, Chavez, DLH, MCGirt, Vasquez etc.

He may not have been as dominant in the 1940's but he's beaten enough good fighters to suggest that he could beat those 1940's lightweights on his day imo. What's to suggest otherwise?

 

B. Leonard-Whitaker is 50/50. I'm not sure how well Benny would cope with Pea's southpaw style the first time around. Tendler gave him fits in their first and Tendler was definitely not as skilled as Pea

 

Well they didn't have that much better comp because Whitaker beat/dominated great fighters and Whitaker would always box Chavez's ears off, just like he would to the guys you mentioned, he was that good

And actually Whitaker probably has more fights than all of them, he had something like 500 amateur fights, so I'm sure you'll now be more confident in his abilities as obviously making Chavez and Ramirez look the fool isn't quite enough for you

 

amateur fights? word son?