Bernard Hopkins 2001 vs. Joe Calzaghe prime, who wins this fight?

He's either trolling or he's a young kid.

Bernard Hopkins was past 40 and he's supposed to be in his prime?

Bull****!

Hopkins showed me enough to know that if he were younger he'd beat Calzaghe decisively.

Joe is good don't get me wrong but Bernard is simply another class.


The thing that "trampie" doesnt realize is that Hopkins himself WAS a middleweight.

Trinidad
Tarver
Pavlik
De la Hoya
Johnson
Pascal
Holmes

 

Yeah, Hopkins is on another level than Calzaghe. So far the proof is in the poll. All the Calzaghe fans in the world can't help him now.

 

Yes Hopkins was a career middleweight who's best wins were against career Lightweights and Welterweights.

Hopkins was fighting nobodies at 25, Calzaghe had a version of a World title at 25, Hopkins was past 30 years old when he first won a version of a World title, Hopkins was nearly 37 when he fought a shop worn Trinidad, Hopkins was nearly 40 when he fought a worn out DLH .
Hopkins was a late starter, Hopkins is not far from his best now, as his results prove. Calzaghe was fighting from the age of nine, Calzaghe was only the second man ever to win ABA titles at three different weights {welter,light-middle and middle}, what did Hopkins win as an amateur ?

 

This. Hopkins would have a shot at winning, but I don't think he'd pull it off.

 

:huh What the **** are you on about? I'm at work. All every idiot on the General Forum does is accuse you of being someone else as soon as you disagree with them, that's highly highly pathetic.

But I'll happily answer your question now I'm back on the forum.

Bernard Hopkins's resume is significantly better than Joe Calzaghe's. 99% of neutrals concur with this. :smoke

If we are talking about the official record, then B-Hop's top 5 wins are:

Trinidad
Tarver
Pascal II
Pavlik
Either G Johnson or K Holmes IMO

If we are talking about unofficial records, then my top 5 of B-Hop wins are:

Trinidad
Calzaghe (I scored the fight to Hopkins)
Tarver
Pascal II
Pavlik

I also scored one of the Taylor fights to Hopkins, but that doesn't make the top 5, I think Pascal II and Pavlik were better wins.


I would take Joe Calzaghe's official top 5 'wins' to be:

Kessler
Hopkins
Lacy
B Mitchell
Bika or Sheika

But my own top 5 Calzaghe wins are:

Kessler
Lacy
B Mitchell
Bika
Sheika

due to my card for the Hopkins-Calzaghe fight.


I don't rate Calzaghe's win over Eubank, seeing as Chris had been semi-retired for two years beforehand after coming off 2 losses, and took the fight at short notice. On paper that looks like a decent win, but in reality it's not, it was a cherrypicked name recognition fight with the deck stacked heavily against Eubank, who was allegedly preparing for a move up to cruiserweight when he was offered a shot at Calzaghe at two weeks notice because of the name recognition he brings.

Jones? Laughable fight. Utterly worthless and meaningless.

Reid? A decent win, but Calzaghe looked like **** in the fight, so it doesn't feature in my top 5s for Joe because he performed much more impressively against both Bika and Sheika IMO.


Therefore, Hopkins's top 5 wins are stronger without doubt, irrespective of whichever versions you compare.

Hopkins's domination of 40-0(34) p4p#2 Tito Trinidad, coming off 2 losses to jump 15lbs and dominate Ring lhw champion Antonio Tarver, going to the backyard of Jean Pascal at the age of 46 to relieve him of his lhw world title... Calzaghe's feeble resume cannot compare to these achievements.

If B-Hop had beaten Jeff Lacy, it would be his 5th or 6th best win (I think Keith Holmes was at least as good as Lacy, if not better), not his 3rd.

 

A far from prime Calzaghe beat a near prime Hopkins in Hopkins backyard, with a home country ref and home country officials, with Calzaghe fighting at a new weight for the first time.

Read it and weep.

Calzaghe beat Hopkins.

 

Your credibility on this thread just = :****

 

What a berk you are, Hopkins second greatest ever win is losing to Joe Calzaghe.

Trinidad is Hopkins greatest ever win, a career Welterweight, who had one more fight and then retired {he did comeback disastrously a couple of times i suppose}.
Hopkins next greatest wins are Tarver which was the fight but one before Joe Calzaghe beat Hopkins, Pavlik the fight straight after Calzaghe beat Hopkins and Pascal who was Hopkins last fight over three years after Calzaghe had beaten Hopkins.

So it looks like what I have been saying is correct, Hopkins was close to prime when he fought and lost to Joe Calzaghe.

Calzaghe's wins over Hopkins himself and the unbeaten career super middleweight champion at the time Kessler and the unbeaten career super middleweight champion at the time Lacy shits all over Hopkins best wins of beating Trinidad a career welterweight at the end of his original career as well as Pavlik, Tarver and Pascal who are second division when talking about elite boxers.

Calzaghe beats Hopkins all the time, everytime.

 

Is this guy for real? We all encounter bias on here, but this is something else.

Hopkins was prime at the age of 43, and beating Jeff Lacy is a better achievement than beating Felix Trinidad.

I don't know whether to or :dead...

 

That's quite telling as Calzaghe outlanded every previous opponent Hopkins had. For me, this question is more of style than records, as I think Calzaghe's style wins out more often than not over Bernard's... and it would always be ugly.

 

That just goes to show what a defensive master Hopkins is, as no matter what Compubox says, Calzaghe landed very, very few clean punches in the fight.

Stylistically, I think Calzaghe is made for a peak Hopkins. Calzaghe comes forward with no head movement, wide open sloppy defence, and Bernard would easily nullify his inaccurate cluster-punching style, pick him off with straight right hands, and just totally outclass Calzaghe throughout. I don't think it would be a particularly close fight, because Bernard is crafty enough and at his peak had enough pop to continually surprise someone like Joe C with sharp punches, and would probably register a couple of knockdowns.

 

Calzaghe would always outwork Hopkins, Calzaghe just too quick and fast for Hopkins, this would be more even apparent back in the day than it was in 2008.

Calzaghe beats Hopkins everytime all the time.

 

atsch

 

This is surely a discussion that will be resolved with all parties agreeing.

 

Yes,

I believe consensus is just around the corner, probably by the middle of the next page.:yep