Why did Jeffries defend against John Finnegan in1900 ?

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  1. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was learning dylexia. Grin!
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Naughty, Naughty!:nono :lol:
    ps Ive just pm'ed this to Mendoza.

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  3. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    No one here says Finnegan was a good pick. He wasn't. It was only one title defense from an active champion. While you are talking to Janitor here, I want to point out that when Jeffries was matched with joruneyman, he beat them early and decisively. Johnson had too many distance fights, and ahem, even draws with joruneyman. Hmmmm.... Why is this so? To your excuse machine you must go....:deal

    PS: So Jeffries " kocked " him out. LOL. Keep up the good work Lenny, and try not to confuse Matt!
     
  4. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eh you know...that google map thingy is VERY useful as far as mileage goes;)

    Here's something on Finnegan that may be of interest. I had it stored away somewheres. Glad I finally found it:

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=KBUbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lEgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1229,7361137
     
  5. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fact is, by 1900, the division was in a draught in terms of fresh talent that was capable... Putting the aging Jim Corby in there 2 X with Jeff in circa--1901 shows the lack of depth the division had in them yrs...

    Christ, Corby was near or at 35 and much smaller and weaker than Jeff... Game or not, Corby was over-matched by that juncture....

    Plus, the issue of white champs avoiding black contenders for political and bull**** religious beliefs, etc... More excuses to avoid top fighters of dark skin color....

    Jimmy Jeff was an amazing athlete / fighter for 1900 times, but with basically little amateur background and only 21 or so total pro fights, some cherry-picking was done to keep him going from 1899-1904...

    Finnegan was a cherry picked to be popped... It happened, too..

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  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Jeffries had seven title defences ,three were over men he had beaten once allready,two of whom were coming out of 2 years retirement,two were against men who did not merit a title chance .One of whom was a hyped up mediocrity[Munroe] ,the other was a nobody,[ Finnegan]

    I want to point out that Jefffries never fought a joruneyman, or kocked out anyone.:nono:lol:

    Nice start to my day, thank you . Rainman:hi:
     
  7. janitor

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    Well if Jeffries threw nothing but lefts dosn't that suport the notion that it was a workout for his bad arm?

    The arm injury is documented by both medical reports and x rays. It ocured in the run up to the Sharkey fight, and was worse in the aftermath of the Corbett fight. It is not clear whether it recured between these fights or during the Corbett fight.

    Either way it has to be factored into the equation.
     
  8. Boilermaker

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    Queenslander at this time of year, if that is okay:good
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    As he threw nothing but lefts,I would say his arm was fine.:huh
    So,in your opinion ,that excuses Fiinegan being picked as a title challenger? :think
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Lucky man!
     
  11. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What was the estimated crowd attendance for "Jeff vs. Finny" back in 1900? How many paid and who was comped to fill seats?
    :huh

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  12. mcvey

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    250?

    It was held in a Masonic Hall,I don't know about the US ,but Masonic Halls in the UK hold around 200/250.



    Below is from Box rec

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    William Brady, who had managed Jeffries as well as former champion Jim Corbett, next sought to make a match between the pair. Though Corbett had not won a fight in six years, he was already a part of boxing lore, the savvy defensive genius who, in 1882, dethroned the living legend, John L. Sullivan. In part to get in shape and help promote a Corbett fight, Jeffries was matched with the relatively unknown palooka
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    at the Cadillac Athletic Club in the old Masonic Hall at First & Layfayette in Detroit, Michigan. Finnegan's sole claim to fame was a previous quick knockout at the hands of Jeff's rival, Gus Ruhlin. When Jeffries pummeled and knocked out his victim in less than a round it proved the perfect hype for his fight with Corbett, which took place just five weeks later at the Seaside Athletic Club in Brooklyn on May 11, 1900. Corbett, who had once hired Jeffries as a sparring partner, proved that at age thirty-three he was still a talented fighter by using every slickster trick in the book to make the younger fighter appear foolish. He boxed masterfully for twenty-two straight rounds and appeared just minutes away from regaining the championship. When Jeffries did finally catch up, though, in the twenty-second, he landed several combinations which took an obvious toll on the challenger. A left hook to the jaw a round later rendered Corbett unconscious and Jeffries had saved his title.
     
  13. MRBILL

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    Leave it to boxrec to **** up the date again.... 1882? NO! 1892? YES!:patsch

    Okay, so 250 people saw Jeff Ko Finny... I'm over-whelmed... How did the fighters get paid----fish and chips?
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    Yes, I heard Corby had done well in one of his fights with Jeff...:deal:bbb

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  14. amhlilhaus

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    i thought that pretty much anytime a champion fought back then was a title fight. imagine if jeffries had lost? then finnegan wouldn't have been considered champion? and he'd have to beat him again?
     
  15. mcvey

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    Jeffries had two fights whilst champion that neither Box rec ,or CBZ recognize as title fights.

    Both in 1910 within a week of each other ,they were with Joe Kennedy, and Hank Griffin ,both over 4 rds the Griffin fight was billed as a no dec/ exh , depending who you read and went the 4 rds.

    The Kennedy fight was a ko in 2rds for Jeffries.

    Since Kennedy was a long time sparring partner for Jeffries , this fight may have been more in the nature of a spirited exhibition,though why Jeffries should knock him out if this was so is rather inexplicable.