weight lifting...why such different views on it in boxing???????

personally i think weight training complements boxing, so long as you dont overdo it. i mean its all about building muscle and losing fat, which is a good thing for boxing isnt it? it means you have more power when you punch, also your muscles will recover better.
also working your abs for instance means you can take a body shot better

 

I've seen BHOP doing barbell squats, does that count as lifitng eights?
i've also seem floyd mayweather pulling on some somesort of cable machine(lat pull down)

 

Yep: Bompa is the guy to read for weightlifting training techniques and science.

Bompa may have worked with/learned from some Eastern European sources. I can't remember.

 

When you say 'weightlifting' it usually refers to olympic lifts so be careful with that.

Then there is powerlifting and then there is bodybuilding type resistance training.

Olympic lifts are fantastic for every athlete, you work both force and velocity at the same time which results in large power outputs.

Powerlifting with heavy weights works on the force part of the force-velocity curve which can increase power. It's difficult to improve speed so one way to increase power is to increase maximum strength. With powerlifting you are working the biggest, strongest muscles in your body.

Bodybuilding exercises in the 6-12 rep range are next to useless for a boxer, the only advantage of training that way might be in the off season to prepare the body a little bit for the real work later on.

Most of the force in sporting movements comes from the recoil of tendons. To improve the stretch and efficiency of tendons you should perform stretch shortening cycle exercises (plyometrics). They will provide you with the biggest increases in power and you won't have to worry about hypertrophy which is useful with a sport like boxing where you usually have to make weight and have a good strength to weight ratio.

There is nothing wrong with weights and they can help your boxing, but the thing that improves your boxing more than anything is boxing. Specificity is very important, above everything else. So weights aren't necessary.

If you did have time to incorporate weights for boxing I would suggest a periodised plan. If you wanted to do the same thing every week then I'd suggest 1 maybe 2 sessions of Powerlifting exercises using contrast training (that is using a plyometric type movement after a strength type movement that is similar in terms of muscle activated) and perhaps some complimentary exercises such as shrugs, bent over rows and side bends (to strengthen muscles that are neglected but are important in boxing). Then I'd suggest 2 sessions devoted to olympic lifts and their variations. Then fit in one or two plyometric only sessions.

Obviously all that takes up alot of time and energy. All you really need for boxing is boxing training. Weights don't make you slow and stiff, you will become slow and stiff however if you always train slow, build large quantities of muscle by doing bodybuilders reps and if you neglect stretching exercises. The lesson there is to vary your training, work your velocity and your force.
Remember above all else, skills pay the bills.

 

Weight training should be seen as an additional way or tool to acheive a specific goal e.g. Increase Power, increase size, increase Anerobic endurance (there are better alternatives) or increase general conditioning. Your weight session should reflect what you are trying to achieve i.e. right weight, right reps, right muscles and right frequency.

If you use weights and have no plan or understanding why you're using them then you will not have the desired results.

 

It makes you slow. The single one thing no fighter wants. Also, you gas more look at Haye he gases every fight.

 

No, it doesn't. It makes you faster if you train correctly, muscles contract faster and stronger.

The thing about Haye gassing is completely irrelevant to weight training. I could say this "If Hatton loses another fight I'm going to blame it on his roadwork" That sounds as stupid as what you said. You can't pick out a single part of his training and say he gasses because of xxxxxxxx just because you take issue with that part of his training.

I'm sure there was a thread before where you claimed the same thing even after pages of you just repeating the same thing with multiple people, including myself, telling you you're wrong. Are you really that ignorant?

 

I actually think Haye is one of the best conditoned fighters around. The reason why Haye sometimes seems gassed is because he is a big guy throwing fast, powerful punches. He fights with intensity. It's easy for a guy like Calzaghe to punch all night throwing slappy arm punches.

 

haye dosnt really do weight lifting, he does strength training while incorporating weights in to the basics like weighted pull ups and weighted ab exercises while also doing plyometrics like clap push ups, forms of depth jumps, medicine ball throws and more.

i really dont consider any of those things similar to the weight lifting discussed in this thread, and dont really see any reason to bring haye and his gassing into this thread.

hey, perhaps you can find some source showing that haye does squats and power cleans to prep for a match but i cant find any of the such.

 

You need all kinds of training in boxing,and all should be used....but as regards weights if used right you will get strong muscles,strong bones,strong ligaments,strong joints that will repair faster and easier.....but you have to take into consideration big muscles require a lot of oxygen to feed them in a fight......and when you get older remember you carry fat around,muscle carry's you around.....

 

Getting stronger doesn't necessarily mean more muscle.

 

Yep very common mistake. Most people think to add strength you have to increase muscle mass but that simply isn't true. :good

 

plyo is plyo weight lifting is weight lifting.....i must have missed the part with the olympic lifting, power lifting, and or body building.

the thread is "weight lifting...why such different views on it in boxing???????" not "plyometrics...why such different views on it in boxing???????" not "Strength Training...why such different views on it in boxing???????"

the video you posted really is nothing different then what boxers have always been doing and has nothing to do with your argument. Why such diffrent views? well most boxers and coaches agree strength training with plyometrics is quite good....there really arnt all that many different views.

lets try to keep to the argument at hand instead of making strawman arguments.