weight lifting...why such different views on it in boxing???????

If anyone has problems with roadwork injuries I recommend using a treadmill, the rubber really takes the edge off the impact as does setting it to incline. Swimming is great too

 

yeah i switched to swimming for my aerobic/ long distance ****. very nice, minus the chlorine and i feel more flexible/ joint pain free than ever. Also, running on a beach/softer ground is not only fun but feels better too. also a bit more challenging depending on the terrain

i agree with PP that plyometrics and certain olympic lifts can be beneficial to a boxing routine in moderation. probably wouldn't want to do any other kind of strength training for modern boxing anyway since infighting is so nonexistent.

 

having acsess to a beach is not always possible when you live in meridian north london though

 

Im tall and i havent been able to squat properly ever. The movement just dosent work for me and havent been able to get it to work for alot of years. I dont get injured or anything, i just cant progress or do anything heavy. I feel like a weakling on it.

But im excellent at all types of deadlifts. I think this might be a disposition of alot of tall people. The standard deadlift dosent work the quads as much as the squat but you can try a shrug/trap bar deadlift if you want more leg involvement

 

Good post.
The first post of the thread was good too.
I think that weightlifting has nothing to do with stamina .
I also think that it makes your single punches quicker and stiffer , but when you become muscle bound it disturbs you from using combinations .
You have to fight your own muscle resistance in each recoil / regroup from a punch which results in slowing the whole combination.
Regarding injury reduction I think it's marginal . Not arguing with your stance on it in the case of heavyweights whose weight is unlimited , and it can yield some benefits in injury reduction in the limited weights as well , but , if you do it enough then it increases your weight which results in a higher weight class and harder punches taken .

 

Try a wider stance when squating and make sure your groin opens up and your hips relax so your butt shoots back as if sitting down on a chair

 

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some of you need to cool it. i wouldn't be surprised if your 5'7 and 220 lbs of powerlifitng muscle and felt like you wanted to go into boxing but a trainer thought you where to old an too small to be good at it...in anger you try to proove him wrong and enter mma. the iron man competitions for the white collar. and surprise surprise you can deck 17 year old boys, so you must be a mma great. you train other guys in your gym because there isn't anybody to stop you trying to teach them, and as the oldest and most anger driven you of course seem to revert to alpha male status.



weights are ridiculous. you want to get bigger fine, but why move your self 3 divisions higher when you might only add a tiny bit of power if not at all. and what is strength if your too small to apply it. strength is only useful to the division your fighting in.


also this isn't about pushing this is a different movement, it's snap it's crispness and it's able to return the fist to the original position. the more you lift the more you are delivering a punch but slowing and throwing off your balance. i'm not saying a marathon runner would make a better boxer than a guy of similar weight who used weights. but chances are he would be heavier and too small to box competitively. also we are looking at power and speed a lot. most concentration and effort in a boxing match is defence, stamina, or ability to miss shots. carrying 10 pounds of extra weight while still taking the same amount of punches and adding a bigger target. and usually it means that your body is tense and rock. than the relatively softer and lighter twitch muscle just doesn't have any advantages. to be built.

vinny paz. after his neck injury relied a lot on weights. and was a fitness fanatic and had a controlled diet as well. that didn't mean he was harder to hit or even hit harder or had better stamina.

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.Funny you mentioned that the little guys shouldnt lift....

Recently i made a thread about bumping into Abner Mares at my gym.. Very cool gave me shirt talked etcetc.. ( see whole intresting story on my thread)..

Anyways dude looked buffed and pumped for his size was working has back, and before that did some military presses... I was like damn Abner you dont look like no bantam.. He said he was weighing in the 135-140 range..He was working out with his nutrionist/Condition coach.... Was only a couple days from going down to Mexico to train (with Angulo).. Where he was gonna do more roadwork and boxing training.


2 months before that Daniel Ponce Deleon was at my gym and bulking up for his fight with the naturally bigger Adrian Broner., first time Ponce was at JL too....He was training with former MMA fighter,Now Ref and Strength conditioning coach Larry Landless(old friend of mine) ... Larry has been training him since moving up from JF,... Larry told me Ponce old boxing trainer made him leave larry cuz he frowned on his Plyometrics and certain weight exercises.... Ponce is now back with Landless and obviously feels this training works well for him. And he Broner must have felt Ponces strength,power as the bigger guy did his best to avoid hit and run.

Interesting fact they wont let Larry work in Ponces corner during fights...As he is an licensed MMA ref(did the Velasquez-Lesnar MMA fight). Although dfferent sports its aganst the ruleS.

Although both guys are small , they both look like strong guys.. Dont seem to affect them, and both different styles... Ponce is on the slow side and more of a puncher... WHie Abner is more speedy boxer/Puncher (more boxer) with a high work rate.. So i guess you could say it works for either type style(according to ponce and Mares).

 

No offense but you're demonstarted your ignorance of weight lifting and demonstatred a few assumptions that don't hold water. For 1 lifting weights doesn't necessarily make you gain unnessairly weigh and for 2 they ruin your stamina. Even marathon runners hit weights these days, did their stamina get ruined?

 

Highguard, what exercises do you personally think aid fighting performances the most? From my experience jerks, push presses, power cleans help powerpunching the most, to the extent you can take someone on the pads after those exercises and they hit significantly harder

 

I am no boxer, but do hit the pads when working out.

If I have gone heavy on the weights for a period, I do seem to be hitting harder, but I also notice I do not hit with the hand-speed or have the torque in my punches I normally do. As I seem to rely more on my upper body, rather than driving though my legs. It also seems harder for me to transfer that torque, when I try and correct myself.

Maybe that is just me, after all as mentioned I am no boxer.

 

Olympic style weight lifting can be very helpful for posterior chain development. Also high weight-low reps on some exercises for training explosive muscle fiber recruitment.

Proper punches are extensive development of movement, weights and bodywork training go around training the movement. Problems for boxing are many weight exercises are completely irrelevant to the chain of movements in a punch and probably counter productive and some trainers believe lifting constant weight over time can slow down your muscle fibre recruitment so slowing down the movements. Making you stiff, also obviously having excess mass will make you heavier or just not as agile as possible.