Calzaghe's WBO "title reign" vs the fighters in "The Ring" top 10

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  1. bailey

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    Except he used Ring Ranking when it suits him. :lol:

    "Roy Jones was ranked #6 when Joe C Beat him. Good win!!" :patsch
     
  4. kmac

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    :lol: boxing monthly must be biased against american fighters.
     
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    Oh no, only Americans and American mags are biased. Ask Phailey!!! :deal
     
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    Ratings are opinions as the Ring have stressed, so I showed you how ratings can be can be formed differently and schooled you on the subject
     
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    I notice how much you value my opinion, but you shouldnt have to ask me. Surely you can form your own opinion :patsch. Maybe not, you are a bit isolated on your own with only ESB as your interaction, and the shame of that is that nobody likes you :lol:. I remember you crying that I want to upset people coming from you :|, the person who goes out of their way to do so :nut. Im surprised you are such a ***** :yep
     
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    the ring rankings, while not perfect (especially now that golden boy owns it), are the most respected and most used in the world. fact remains that joe only fought 7 fighters at the time who were ranked in the top 10 at 168. enough with the american bias on the ring mag. look at the fighter of the yr winners for the past few years: tito in 2000, g. johnson in '04, hatton in '05, pac in '06, '08, and '09 and martinez last year. all not american. also notice how joe did not win this award during this era. there were always better fighters. schooled :roll:
     
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    Like him or not, Calzaghe was a special fighter. HARD to beat to much movement and hand speed, ring smart and also a GREAT chin and recovery powers (see against Byron Michell) people forget that. He had VERY bad brittle hands as before he was a one-punch knockout artist as Eubank said "he never been hit as hard by a fighter as Calzaghe", he had to change his fighting style and hence he didn't knock many fighters out after his hand operation.
     
  13. Axe

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    The truth laid bare. Good post. :good

    Fact is, Calzaghe's resume is incredibly weak.

    Expect the desperate Calzaghe nuthuggers to deny these facts with skewed opinions and hateful vitriol.
     
  14. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, he wasn't.

    See the OP.
     
  15. Jens S

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    Jones beat James Toney, who was pound for pound number 3 at the time. It wasn't a close fight: 119-108, 118-109 and 117-110. That was despite Jones moved up in weight to supermiddleweight.

    Jones moved up from lightheavy and beat John Ruiz ranked #5 at heavy for the WBA-title.

    He never fought Michaelczewski and that is bad, because it would have been an exiting fight. But Jones wouldn't go to Germany and Mich wouldn't go to USA.

    Roy Jones was in the top3 P-4-P for 10 consecutive years.

    Ranked fighters include:
    Hopkins (pre-prime)
    Thomas Tate
    James Toney
    Vinny Pazienza
    Mike McCallum
    Montell Griffin
    Virgil Hill
    Lou del Valle
    Reggie Johnson
    David Telesco
    Eric Harding
    Derrick Harmon
    Julio Gonzalez
    John Ruiz
    Antonio Tarver

    Many of these fighters were in the top5. That was not the case with Calzaghes opponents.

    I haven't included Otis Grant (#5 at middleweight in a lightheavy fight) and Glen Kelly (ranked by Boxing Monthly, but not The Ring)

    Eubank took the fight with Calzaghe on a short notice - about 10 days before. He WAS preparing for a fight, but at 175 lbs. As much as I liked Eubank, he was on the slide. He had lost twice to Collins in his two last major fights.

    Calzaghe was a better fighter later in his career. Boxing is not just a physical thing. Joe lacked belief in him self, when he was younger. He grew stronger mentally, when he beat Lacy so easily. He was a very intelligent fighter, who could adjust his style. His intelligence also grew later in his career. His greatest moment was in the 5th round against Kessler, where he turned the fight, by starting jab with the dane. A struck of genius, which probably was helped by a little luck. No doubt he belongs in the HOF. ATG? Well, what is the definition? He ended his career at number 3 P-4-P, which was well deserved.

    Calzaghe won the WBO-title, which at the time was lightly regarded. Frank W@rren did very fine matchmaking, and often took fighters early on their slide. Calzaghe was content with that for many years. In the end though, Calzaghe proved himself as a great fighter by unifying with Lacy and Kessler.

    Both fighters are great. At times of their career they have been criticized for not fighting the best of opposition. In my opinion well deserved. But both fighters proved their worth. In comparison Jones was a clearly class better. The fight against Toney was a level Calzaghe never reached. He also went up to heavy and won a title. Titles in four divisions. He won 22 titlefights (I do not include the interim-title against McCallum). He beat six reigning world champions. He DID lose in his prime against Montell Griffin on a DQ, but revenged it with a KO1. No matter the definition, Roy Jones is an ATG.