Has Carl Froch surpassed Ricky Hatton....

I think you can never tell whether someone is a 'potential atg' until the best fight the best.

 

No. Hatton was the best @ LWW at one point. Froch hasn't done that at SMW yet. Froch hasn't beaten anyone as good as Tszyu.

 

absolutely , it makes me laugh when people actually name hattons best wins i mean malinaggi for **** sake tzsyu was over the hill and urango i mean what the **** is really wrong with you people

 

Yes, but to say any of the fighters in the S6 could have beaten some of the other recently past great, dominant past SMW's is pushing it.

Like I say strong division, great fighters, great fights, but I doubt once all is said and done any atg contenders.

 

Like who? Only one none of them could even have half a chance with is Roy Jones at his best, and that is the same for most fighters. The division itself is still fairly young if nwe go by fighters that have actually contested at the 168 limit. Other than him you have only Joe and Ottke, and there's probably a few of these that could beat the latterr on fair ground.

Kessler was considered the no.1/no.2 fighter who gave Calzaghe a torrid four or five rounds in the early going. Ward beat him with ease.

 

I did include names then deleted them as I didn't want to turn this into a mythical match up thread, but yes I doubt they are on that level. If you take any time in the past 25-30 years I doubt any of the s6 would rule. They may be competitive and win championships, but I doubt end up the dominant fighter of any recent era.

As I have said many times, I'm not saying they're not all good fighters. My main point is that they have all benefited from this S6 platform and their resumes look stronger due to it.

For some on here to be so adamant and clear that Froch has surpassed Hatton that must be the case. Hatton cleaned out his whole division and beat fighters that would have been great vs any era. I know Hatton had some "marketing" behind him, but he still achieved more in terms of a career at this point.

 

The super middleweight division hasn't been around 30 years though has it?

 

Not far off mate....

 

LWW, surely. Big fan of Hatton, personally - don't think he gets nearly enough credit due to the criticism directed at his - admittedly very canny - marketing. But Froch is on a run that Hatton never came close to. The only thing missing is taking out the number one in his division, and Ward is arguably a harder proposition to Tzsyu bearing in mind where they stand/stood in their respective careers at the point they were faced. Had Froch had decent management throughout his career - and perhaps a bit more personality - this wouldn't even be up for debate.

 

Yea, meant LWW will edit. However Hatton was the best in his division & only lost to the best p4p. IMO that beats Froch's top 4 SMW (arguably no1.) & loss to Kessler.

 

Hatton would beat Kessler P4P.

Hatton would lose to Dirrell P4P.

But then...Froch didn't actually beat Dirrell.

I'd say Hatton and Froch were pretty much level.

Mayweather/Pacquiao would destroy Froch P4P.

 

Got to be around that. Goes back to before Duran, Leonard etc retired so mid 80's.

 

not yet

 

I think he has, yes.

He has KO wins over all of his relevant domestic contemporaries and is 5-1 at world class. Hatton achieved what he could in terms of titles and such but there's a lot of filler on his slate between 2000 and 2005. Froch has next to no filler and keeps lining up these top class opponents.

The fact that he lost to Kessler is largely irrelevant, if you compete at world class in any sport regularly you'll lose on occasion. The downside to this one was that it came at the worst possible time, Kessler having been dominated in his previous outing.

 

Froch by a very large way.

You have to consider Froch one of the best ever simply due to his resume, skill wise he is apparantly substandard yet name another british fighter to have the same consistent quality of Froch.

If Froch ends up winning the Super 6 he goes above Calzaghe.