Hall of fame to Hall of greatness

In fact, he was in the Guinness Book of World Records for decades as the oldest Olympic Boxing Champion, the only three time champion, and remains one of the very few to win a Gold Medal past the age of 30.

 

perhaps just these guys would be left standing


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Hey I think Marciano and Louis should be in the hall.

 

I agree. I was just editing the list from the op.

 

I really like the idea of this thread. I am very lazy though.

 

First of all, I think the weakest candidate from the list of names lufcrazy offered in post #19 is Angott.

Yes, a case can be made for dropping Braddock and Willard. Jimmy's story is inspiring, and he went out on his shield against Louis, like he believed a champion should, but he did sit on the title for two years before risking it. Slattery, John Henry Lewis, Lasky and Farr are fine wins in addition to his title ascending effort, but enough to merit HOF status? Against more than half as many defeats as he had wins?

Willard? A promising start with Moran after Havana, but then mothballed it for nearly three and a half years before Toldeo, when past an age where WW I draft eligibility applied until Congress extended it to include registration for males between 18 and 45 in September 1918. Whether or not WW I legitimately prevented him from defending the title with greater frequency, a strong case can be made that he should have risked it against Fulton before Dempsey got to the Plasterer. (Given the post Johnson-Jeffries climate of the times, making a defense against Wills may have been politically untenable, but this certainly did not apply to Fulton, who was red hot entering 1918, after stopping Langford, Gunboat, Moran, and others.) Had some good results in addition to Havana, but the record is a little anemic for a legitimately worthy HOFer.

 

Well, if Angott's not the weakest link among the names listed in post #19, I'd like to know who an alternative might be.

I'm conflicted a bit about whether or not Sammy belongs, but generally feel comfortable with it. Wins over Miller, Sarron, Arizmendi, Montgomery 3X, Mancini, Jenkins, Pep, Ike Williams (albeit in his third try, nonetheless a legitimate stoppage win), Bratton and Azteca among others look impressive on any resume. But he was not the world's best lightweight in 1941, not as long as Robinson was within striking distance of 135. 29 defeats and 8 draws against 94 wins. By comparison, Sarron had 23 defeats and 12 draws against 101 wins. Sarron has yet to gain induction, while Angott got in over a dozen years ago. I have no great quarrel with The Clutch gaining entry ahead of Petey, but is a margin of over a dozen years accurately representative of any degree of superiority he held at LW over Sarron at 126? (I'm pretty confident Petey does get in some time in the next few years. He seems to have some good support among some knowledgeable historians.)

 

Graziano is the weakest link in that list.

An unskilled labourer with a great right hand.

 

Angott should be in the hall. He was ONE of the best. Not the best with SRR around, but that alone should not stop him from getting in the hall. If you had to be the best of your era, a LOT of guys would be bump off.