Jack Dempsey vs Jersey Joe Walcott Prime for Prime

Well you ignored my entire post up until I tried giving you a heads up. You show NO proof but only make claims of others opinions. I'll tell you what, inside this thread there are dozens of links and articles from the time period that questioned why Dempsey chose to fight certain fighters and why he didn't fight Wills and greb. You will no doubt ignore all that though, right?

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312291

 

interesting fight. Dempsey has a major punches chance, but Walcott could easily make Dempsey look silly with his jab, feints, footwork, angles, and skills throughout the fight. Walcott also has the power to put Dempsey on his ass. Dempsey has the speed, power, and finishing skills to put walcott away at any point.

 

I see there are like 11 pages of opinions of users on this site. I will sift through it but after looking at the first 3 pages it's all things I've read in the past.

Here are a couple that are more straight to the point - no having to go through page after page of opinions of people who's credibility is questionable.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=268026

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/dempsey_dive.html

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/jdempsey.html

I already know why he didn't fight Wills or Greb. Wills was black, and unfortunately for him, that was not the color to be if you wanted to be a heavyweight champion. There was no chance in the world that a black man was going to be champion. It's sad but that was the state of the country at that time.

Greb was a middleweight sparring partner for Dempsey. I am just trying to figure out why there would be such great demand for this fight at the time. Dempsey used Greb because he was a great fighter who was very small and quick, this would help Jack prepare and work on his own speed. But to say that he "ducked" him just seems ridiculous, because it's easy to imagine Jack Dempsey throwing Greb quite a beating in a real fight.

 

Monte Cox's opinion credible? lol He is one of the biggest Dempsey jocksniffers out there. Don't get me wrong, he puts some good stuff out there, but he is also very bias.

 

Much of what is on his page is quotes from many others. It is not just things he made up or his own opinion, but a compilation of the opinion of many.

 

How about you make up your opinion with your own two eyes

 

In regard to what? When dealing with fighters from 100 years ago, that is difficult to do.

If we were to follow your logic, then Greb has no place anywhere as we can not use our eyes to gauge his greatness.

 

There is film out there of Dempsey!

 

Yes, which after watching him on film then reading what others said about him... It just leaves me wishing that I could see more. All the film I have seen on him leaves me dying for more.

When we talk about guys like Greb though that is what makes it hard... If I could just see one good fight of Greb's to go along with the things I've read, that would be great.

 

Welcome Carlos, but save your energy arguing the rational point you make [as I have tried to make ], that the vast majority of boxing experts who SAW Jack Dempsey ,prior to his 3 year layoff in 1923, voted him as the best heavyweight they had ever seen. These 150 or so boxing experts opinions mean nothing to people who of today who in their superior esteem of themselves, completely and utterly, disregard the opinions of BOXING people who saw the savage Dempsey fight in his prime. For an example of the question of Dempsey's place in fistic history, they have to bring up the Tunney fights as an example of Jack Dempsey in his prime ,[and we are talking about all fighters primes], when they I am sure know that this Jack Dempsey who had not fought in THREE years, losing his manager Jack Kearns, bereaved at the suicide death of his close brother Bernie, and without
a darn tune-up bout, fought at the age of about 32, a great boxer Gene Tunney in 1926-27. These posters insist on THIS Jack Dempsey as the real,
twice as fast fighter of his prime, who is the Jack Dempsey, the pollsters by a vast majority voted on as the best heavyweight they had EVER SEEN.
When Joe Louis is thought about in the mix, it isn't, and SHOULDN't Be the Louis of Walcott, or Ezzard Charles, but the deadly Louis of Baer, Schmeling #2. But fairness doesn't seem to apply to the name of Jack Dempsey, it appears to me.
Yes Dempsey did not fight Harry Wills [though they once did sign], yes Dempsey did not fight Harry Greb [my hero], but the people who voted in this poll knew all the ramifications of all this,knew all about Dempsey's three year layoff,and YET still seeing Jack Dempsey at his best, and saw his unique blend of heavyweight speed of motion, and savage punching power, combined with a lust for combat,and sheer toughness ,never seen in one heavyweight before. This is why they chose Dempsey. For the simple reason they had SEEN him ringside at his BEST...
So Carlos, U are not alone in your opinion of Jack Dempsey of Toledo. Cheers
Newbie.:good

 

I'm ballsy and bold.....:bbb

In a 10 or 12 rounder, I like Wally over Demps by decision...:good

In a 15 rounder, Demps roars from behind to clock and stop Wally late somewhere's between rds 13, 14 or 15....
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A bonafide dream fight from Heaven or Hell...admin

MR.BILL:hat

 

it is a lot of could have would have should have, but i read an article last night where Dempsey stated that he was going to fight Wills after the Tunney fight. If he was ducking, he obviously ducked the wrong guy!

 

All these articles talk about HOW Dempsey fought. I doubt you will find a knowledgeable boxing fan anywhere who thinks Dempsey wasn't a great fighter. The problem is some have him blown up to god like status and refused to make him accountable for a flawed career which while excellent, isn't quite as excellent when you put it under the microscope.

Don't give me that rubbish about the times and how blacks weren't allowed to fight for the title. There was a public demand for the fight. So if the people want to see the fight who is Dempsey to not give it to them and his biggest challenge. By not fighting an acceptable challenger he ducked him.

As far as Greb goes...you gotta be kidding me! You believe its ok for Dempsey to fight lesser fighters and guys who Greb already whooped? If Dempsey thought he could have beaten Greb he would have fought him instead of guys Greb trounced. It is factually documented that the Dempsey camp wanted no part of Greb. You should know this if you know all about Dempseys career. Even more, you should be able to admit it if you are an open minded boxing fan.

 

No my friend it really isn't that hard to do. But you have to weigh the evidence that goes against your opinions as well as the evidence that backs it up. Somewhere in the middle you will find the truth.