weight lifting...why such different views on it in boxing???????

I agree with a lot of this. You need to maintain fluidity, stamina and low weight. However, for use as injury prevention, a controlled weight regimen is great. As a burned out old man with a bad achilles and a weird knee, I started a pretty intense regimen of lower body lifts, Belgian squats, lunge squats, leg press, stair running... all that ****. Now I can touch the bball rim again and do it without knees or ankles snapping. Hooray for me.

I would say that for the injury prone boxer, it might be a good thing. Also, I am a big believer in having a strong base and core... not so much for the Hollywood lifts.

 

A lot of fighters do them wrong.

They are a hard thing to do well, especially for an athlete in a sport that demands what boxing does.

You go just a bit wrong in strength training during a long camp, you can either gas faster than you need if you put too much muscle on, or possibly make your cut to weight harder then you need it to be.

 

So is it safe to say that depends on the fighter ..A fast fighter would use lighter weight as opposed to a brawler no ?

 

Jack Dempsey used to work out on the pulleys and he felt this helped his punching power and back and arm muscles. It isolated certain muscles without unnecessary muscle weight. Marciano used to push/throw boulders and punch underwater, he also had a custom made 285lb heavy-bag and he weighed 188 but he also ran 6miles a day increased it to 10 miles a day and then ran up to 15 prior to a fight to increase his stamina and keep his weight low. When Rocky retired he still looked fit when Patterson was champ but his walk around weight was 240- 250 lbs and most of that was from the reduced running.

 

i think the ones you mentioned are very good

i think shoulder press

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEwKCR5JCog[/ame]

is very good for the general health of the shoulder and i think helps a bit with power too
i dont really like his form though because elbows should not go below the shoulder

dumbbell press

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFcU-d5uDmM[/ame]


better then benching with the bar, works more of the vital areas
such as the stableizers that keep you from getting injuried


squats are great ofcourse

pulldowns are great

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjqoZhqyKJo[/ame]


shrugs are awesome not so much for punching power
but what are awesome for, is helping you absorb punches


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJRVVxmytaM[/ame]


as far as punching power

watch this russian video
it has a few wicked excerises for it
both with weights and non weights


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSDQXfQML34&feature=related[/ame]

you dont need to understand russian
they should each excerise in detail

 

i personally think the russian video is great
not just for a boxer but for anyone doing sports

 

How tall and old are you out of curiosity?

 

Well, like I already said, weight exercises always existed in boxing. This kind of training is essential. Modern weightlifting can be good for boxers. Like with everything it depends on the amount and how you do it, if it helps you or does the opposite. If you do lots of weight lifting and use it to bulk up, well, as a boxer this will have more negative than positive effects for you. If you use it as a support regiment for boxing, to increase punching power, speed or to prevent injury, it can help you quite a bit and is useful. It also depends on you as an individual, some profit more from weight lifting than others. The main point I think is to not focus on weights while training. The focus should always be on sparring, heavy and speed bag work, hitting the pads and so on. And then comes running, rope skipping, calisthenics and weight lifting to make you better in that. Training your stamina, strength and athleticism should be always second to training your boxing skill, after you have a good basis of all that. I have the impression that many in boxing today focus on training their athleticism and not on their boxing skills, correct me if I´m wrong.

 

yeah bodhi i agree. did you see that video of paul williams training before the second martinez fight? he was doing all kinds of crazy stuff, but i think he forgot about the boxing part.

 

yes ofcourse the crazy stuff williams was the downfall lol

not the monster punch he ate lol

and yes those "crazy excerises" made him walk into that punch


he is one guy who should really work neck excersies and shrugs
not to mention the legs lol

 

5-11 and 41 years... but I used to dunk with ease.

 

I think fighters need to just find whatever works for them, train their asses off and turn up to fight in tip-top shape, injury-free, in top condition.
And then fight like demons.

The rest of it, theory and all that, leave to the sports science geeks. There are no magic exercises, or magic routines, no magic coaches - most importantly there is no one-size-fits-all optimum training protocol. Just a few basic principles.
Train hard, come in shape, fight like a demon.

The proof is in the pudding.

 

that wasn't my point. he seemed to be focusing on conditioning to the neglect of boxing. martinez is a good fighter at a weight williams is inexperienced at. williams took him lightly by going into the ring without a gameplan. martinez learnt some things from the first fight, but williams didn't.

and that 'monster punch' had landed numerous times in the fight already, yet williams 'didn't see it coming' in his own words. he should have been better prepared. his corner was clueless too.

 

are you saying that he should learn how to take a punch? williams has a good chin, he was born with that. he also didn't get knocked out because he doesn't have enough neck or leg muscle... he's in good condition. he got knocked out because he didn't see a punch that he should have adapted to by that point in the fight (as it had been thrown so often). that's to do with smarts, not fitness, and not chin.

 

I've seen heavyweights with trapezius like mountains and necks like oak tree trunks who couldn't take a punch at all.
Still, training the neck is advisable and has always been part of fighter's training.
Rolling with punches .... and better yet, learning how to avoid them ... should be the priority for fighters who don't want to get knocked out. You can't just "muscle up" to invincible.