Dempsey v Jeffries ????

Dempsey W15

if it goes over that Jeffries by KO

 

A guy who knew a little about boxing once opined
"Dempsey could beat anybody he could hit."

Jeff, for all his greatness, IS there to hit.

I see Dempsey out of the gate like a racehorse ripping hooks and right hands getting solid shot after shot in during the early rounds, in the mid rounds Jeff rallies but can't outwork Jack consistently enough to win many rounds. His eyes start to close and he can't catch Jack cleanly and pays again and again for his missed punches. By the championship rounds even he has simply taken too much damage.

I like Jack in this one - by accumulation in the 14th or 15th - and Jeff will still be standing and moving forward when the referee tells him he has to stop it...

 

It is a case of quantity versuse Quality. One fighter beat the top 5 (Jeffries, Corbett, Sharkey, Fitz, Ruhlin) as well as several other great fighters. The other (arguably only) didnt beat the top 5 fighters of his era (Wills, Tunney, Greb, Langford, Johnson (okay i was stretching a little)).

Do you prefer quantity or quality, i think that is the question when comparing resumes.

 

I think that the Jeffries who won the title from Fitzsimmons would have been verry roughly handeled by Dempsey. The defensive reactive style that he employed in that fight just wouldn't work and he would get outgunned.

The Jeffries of the Monroe fight would fare better, with his more offensive style and might be able to make Dempsey pay for his forward attack. I don't think that I have Jeffries atributes pinned down precisely enough to say that he would have been able to overcome Dempsey using this approach, even at this stage.

So I have to provisionaly go with Dempsey.

Jeffries undoubtedly has the better resume.

 

Who disputed Jeffries track and field stuff? Do you have any names or newspaper references that said it was not so?

Dempsey himself said if they meet at their best Jeffries would have defeated him. Actually he said he would have got his chin knocked off. Such an admission tells me all I need to know about this fantasy match up

It would have been a good fight while it lasted, however JD wasn't big on long term stamina. Dempsey had a good, but not great chin and his style is wrong for this match. When a swarming type of fighter meets a man with better chin and stamina, and for arguments sake, let's say even power, the more durable, fighter with better stamina is going to win more often than not.

 

Boiler,

No goddammit. I'm not subbing quality for quanity.... I'm just saying Jeff had 21 fight over 15 years, while Demps had 60+ over 13 years.... Jeff defended against some big named old farts like "Fitz & Corby" and later on Demps defended against little guys like "Carpy & Gibbons."

I feel Jack Demps had a tougher career and harder ride to the top of the mountain when comparing Jeff's ride to the top...

STILL! To hell with that jazz, I still guess that Jimmy Jeff handles Jack Demps in a dream fight... I believe I earlier predicted a 14 rd. TKO / KO for Jeff...

I'm guessing 1902 Jeff in his prime stops 1923 Demps in a time machine...

MR.BILL:bbbhat

 

I think Dempsey would win, but not by KO.
He'd win the decision on work rate, fighting at a faster pace than Jeffries, piling up the points, in a gruelling fight.

Fitzsimmons couldn't KO Jeffries, so I don't think Dempsey would.

 

Dempsey's greater speed and accuracy would overcome any physical strength advantage that Jeffries has. Dempsey UD 15.

 

I just wish better footage was available so we could see Jimmy Jeff in heated action from 1900 to 1904 without all the edited and chop-sockey film clips and ****.

It would be great to see complete fights in remastered condition of Jeff's fights, but all movie film from 1950 and earlier was made from some highly flammable substance and only had a shelf life of a decade or so before it deteriated and was lost forever..

Hell, a century from now when we posters are all dead and gone, some punk-ass kid in 2111 will be able to review today's fights on his monitor and he'll be able to see the clear picture as if it was filmed yesterday... Filming fights and sports in general really became high-tech by the 1970s with zoom lenses and colorization....

MR.BILLgood:hat

NOTE:

I think the remastered 1971 fight of "Ali-Frazier" looks and sounds killer here in 2011..... You can hear the punches thud when they land like the Dickens.... The production for that epic event was top-notch all the way....

 

Terrific find ... thanks for the post !

 

Before Jeffries-Sharkey II it was noted that Sharkey was a better infighter than Jeffries. I think that if Dempsey is able to go to work inside, he'll probably win; but if Jeffries has the strength to shut down extended infighting it will be a tough match. In the latter case, I'd favor Dempsey to tough out a 15 round decision, becoming very close towards the end; in longer fights, I'll take Jeffries. Again, if Jack is able to get going inside, I'm taking Dempsey.

 

This would be a classic matchup. Both men were rugged, durable, could dish it out and take it. Both possessed murderous left hooks. I believe the fight would open as did the Willard-Dempsey fight, with Dempsey moving, boxing, using his foot speed, and looking for openings. Unlike the Willard fight, I do not believe that a prime Jeffries would go down, at least not early in the fight. Jeffries would be looking to land his left to the ribs which did much damage to Corbett and Sharkey. I would expect Dempsey to be the aggressor, much as Tom Sharkey was in their 1899 fight. Dempsey, however, was a harder puncher and better boxer than Sharkey and I would pick him to win a very close decision over Jeff over 15 action-packed rounds. Nat Fleischer, in his book "Jack Dempsey - Idol of Fistiana" says that Jack would have defeated Jeffries. Over a longer distance, say 25 rounds, Jeffries' physical advantages and endurance would, I believe, tip the scale in favor of Jeffries.

 

Dempsey went more than 10 rounds only twice in his career - the KO12 against 197-pound Brennan, and the W15 against 175-pound Gibbons. Dempsey had the ferocity, speed, and explosive power-punching style, but Jeff had an iron chin, underrated defense, ability to box or attack, solid power, excellent stamina, and the FAR superior experience going lots of rounds. In a long fight, or fight to the finish, I give the edge to Jeff. I simply do not see Dempsey taking Jeff out quick, and Dempsey's style was built to take you quickly. Jeff's style was built to methodically break you down over time, and neutralize power punches from his opponents.