*Wladimir Klitschko-David Haye Build-up Thread*

It's all going to come down to the psychological battle.

If Wlad can keep it together psychologically then Haye cannot win.

Wlad is the physical powerhouse.

Haye is the psychological powerhouse.

Wlad is much more mentally strong than he was when he has lost in the past but Haye is the most psychologically intimidating fighter he has ever faced.

All the stylistic breakdowns go out of the window, in my opinion.

If Wlad keeps it together then he wins.

If not...Haye shocks the world.

 

Interesting breakdown Mandanda :good

I think you're right with a lot of what you say but I also feel a lot of it is based on the belief that Wlad will fold as soon as Haye puts pressure on him. If Wlad is actually better than most people think then he could quite comfortably control this fight from range.

The best way to try and call matchups like this in my opinion is to watch some of their previous fights and imagine the new opponent in the ring.

I watch the Valuev fight again and straight away I see that if that was Wladimir Klitschko opposite Haye that night, he wouldn't have any problem controlling the distance and keeping Haye behind that jab. He might not be landing cleanly because of Haye's head movement and footwork, but I feel he'll be able to comfortably keep him at bay.

I know the size difference isn't as big this time, but when Haye lets punches go early on against Valuev, they're really easy to read and Wlad is a lot better than Nikolay Valuev at timing and calculating distance.

Now just before I start to get Jim Watt syndrome and only see what I think, I switch over to Klitsckho v Eddie Chambers and imagine Chambers is Haye. First thing I see is that Wlad does have trouble finding the target against head movement and that Chambers gets close with his right hand several times early on. If that's Haye's right hand and it's a little sharper he could hurt Wlad and anything could happen.

Sorry if this makes no sense, I'm writing this off the top of my head and I could do with some more sleep. But bottom line right now I guess is that I genuinely haven't got a clue how to call this fight I think it could be really timid but fascinating because at any time it could explode into action.

If I was putting the outcome into percentages I'd say something like this at the moment:

Wlad decision - 35% (controls the fight at distance, it is in Germany...)
Wlad knockout - 5% (only way I see this happening is if Haye tires)
Haye decision - 20% (could outbox Wlad and win by not getting hit much)
Haye knockout - 40% (he can hurt Klitschko with almost any punch IMO)

60/40 in Haye's favour just about.

 

I can see Haye missing to the left (perhaps on purpose) with a big riright hand and then coming up with the left hook. I think this is what will get Wlad drunk and in a position for Haye to stop him.

 

Lol at these predictions Haye will stop Wladimir early? Open your eyes please! Haye is likely to win in the middle round 4-7 but after that things sway in favor of Wladimir. Remember Wladlimir is defensively much better and knows how to survive when hurt now (this isn't Corrie Sanders version). Wladimir does everything better and is a different fighter since his losses.

I've watched the last 5 fights of Haye, and it's evident the jab is something he gets tagged with often. I cannot see Haye being able to avoid the jab for more than 5 rounds before Wladimir pumps out the jab with authority.

My heart says Haye but logically thinking Wladimir should prevail on the night. I just think the power and size will be to much for Haye on the night, and I think he's underestimating Wladimir big style.

Wladimir by late stoppage 9-10.

 

I think it's going 12 rounds. Wlad is going to just keep the distance, jab. Haye having moments of success, but nothing substantial. Wlad by UD

 

I like some of the analysis going on here.

I think its down to Haye being quicker at moving in then wlad is moving back from haye's advanced forward,but working from angles.I think haye's sparring partners have been big rangy and very fast punchers and fast with moving out of range when people try close in on them.

wlad can be fast on closing distance/pushing back people and backing out of range himself,but haye has to be on him with footwork,angles,body attack to set up head combinations.

haye has that strength and atheticism needed,and the fast power.

I think Haye needs to control the jab and be aware of the right hand/keep out of danger of the right hand,chageav,ibragmov,for first rounds stopped wlads jabs,so they stopped him setting up rights,but they didnt turn defense into offense,haye must do both.

Haye should be turning wlad to stop him setting down and being able to be safe with punches and full power on them,should be making him chase and hit while trying to close off haye for haye to counter once wlad is turned onto ropes,or haye being in close so wlad cannot get full extension and full power on any punches/isnt comfortable to fight up close.

I think even if haye gets clinched,wlads clinches are weak,he holds round the head and there is space for haye to drop overhand punches and body punches.I also think haye has the reflexes to counter leaning attempts.

ive seen chambers land fast rights ,but he was on the outside,although these might be near speed of haye's punching,they werent as light and fast with thier movement and footwork.And werent as powerful either.

Gotta have haye body punch,side step,get to the angle coming in from the right to the side of wlads jab and then land 2-3 combinations and move out of range not to be clinched,then do the same again.

ignore the valuev fight for haye's punch output and tempo,he knew he most likely could not hurt valeuv,so he paced himself for 12,and he also dropped his aggresiveness and output when he damaged his right hand in the early rounds.

He knew valuev didnt have a dominant jab either and that he wasnt as quick as wlad will be.And valuev is that tall and heavy that when you get clinched you really get clinched!,wlads clinches arent as hefty as valuev's!.

people write off haye cuz they dont like him,silly thing to do.

 

I think Haye's planning to nail Klitschko on the side of the head if he tries grabbing him. Thats what he's inferred, reading between the lines of a few comments he made about how he's going to deal with that. How well it will go down in Germany is anyones guess...

 

I think the chance of Wlad winning by KO is huge tbh,much more than him winning by Decision whereas I give Haye almost no chance of outboxing Wlad and winning a decision.
I think people are going to be surprised by Wlads speed in there on July 2 and the first right hand that lands I think will badly hurt Haye whos chin cant take that kinda power.

 

Does anyone actually know when Haye flys out to Hamburg? or when will it likley to be?

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ive got haye stopping klitchko around the 4th or 5th round, too quick too awkward too explosive i feel, i wouldnt be suprised if the first round very little is thrown from both fighters and i can see some home cooking by the ref whilst haye has klitschko in trouble probly deducting a point on the way.

i cant wait to see the look on waldos face afterwards.

this site will be in a real mess and hopefully a few of the idiots on here finally pipe down a bit.

 

Either way, Haye fans or Wlad fans will never hear the end of it. 'I told you so' stuff.

I really wouldn't be surprised to see Wlad knocked out early or knocked down a couple of times. Having said that, I can easily see Haye walking onto a huge straight early with that poor defense of his, leading to him staggering around the ring (***** street) with Wlad using his head as target practice.

If Wlad comes out aggressive early then I fancy him to do the business, but if he fights cagey and nervy he'll be found out.

Someone is getting knocked out, simple.:deal

 

I think that this is the only thing about the fight that can be properly predicted

 

I really can't see Haye getting knocked out.

Ibragimov went the distance, Tony Thompson (one of the guys Haye's taken to pieces in sparring) lasted 11, Chagaev went 8 before he pulled out, Eddie Chambers got to 35 minutes and 55 seconds and even Sam Peter went 10 rounds.

All these guys could arguably be 'tougher' than Haye but they also got hit a hell of a lot more than Haye is likely too.

 

Haye for a early stoppage, Klitschko for a late stoppage is the way logical way of thinking.

I bet the KO percentages after 6 rounds would change rapidly. Most are picking Haye for an early knockout 1-6 rounds, if he doesn't you know Klitschko will be heavy favorite to knock Haye out.

Haye 1-6 = 70%
Klitschko 1-6 = 30%
Haye - 7-12 = 15%
Klitschko 7-12 = 85%