Ortiz needs to develop his jab to beat Mayweather

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  1. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    This is how many jabs even manage to land on Floyd.

    Zab 2 a round, and he actually has a decent leftie jab.

    Oscar, ATG jab, could only get 3.33 a round.

    A textbook fighter like Juan Marquez was down to only 1.75.

    Ortiz only has a little over 2 months. You're right about not tryna develop it. He's not going to make a great jab in only a few weeks.
     
  2. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No he does not. Its not one of his tools. Why would he try to focuse on something new when he has had success with his current tools.

    He needs to use his youth is my opinion. He has youth strength and power on his side. Try to maximize those to even the skills gap some.
    He needs to get inside in which he will probably take plenty of clean shots doing and if his chin holds up do his work on the inside. His inside game was good with Berto once he was in there he punished him the right hooks straight lefts and Great uppercuts. He needs to make PBF feel his age and inactivity.

    I dont get why people always want to change fighters before their biggest fights. They obviously had success with what they were doing to get there. You dont change the gameplan before hand.
     
  3. Rexrapper 1

    Rexrapper 1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You need a jab to beat Floyd. It offsets his rhythm. Ortiz doesn't have one plus he can be hit with a right hand all night.
     
  4. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Don't you think the main aim of the jab is to upset Floyd's rythm, as oppose to actually landing on him? Because it didn't really matter that Oscar wasn't landing them, instead, he was disrupting Floyd's flow and pushing him back - which seemed to help Oscar's cause.
     
  5. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

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    no

    southpaw jabs dont bother grape jr.
     
  6. motorcity

    motorcity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's actually smaller than Mayweather and is not as tough.
     
  7. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    good point

    Alok knows best.
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  8. LancsTerrible

    LancsTerrible Different Forms of Game. Full Member

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    Any chance Ortiz has won't come down to his jab. Its not good. His straight left, the punch we see Corley and Judah catch Mayweather with is weak because hes a right handed fighter. The best chance he has is trying to use his size and that lead right hook which packs a big punch. He's not a bad combination puncher which means something is going to get through to Jr.

    That being said, the win strategy for Ortiz is hoping Mayweather has declined as a fighter. Not exactly the best strategy. Lets say Mayweather has declined though, its not going to stop him having that great sense of timing and nice straight punches which are going to make Ortiz's horrible footwork and by proxy balance quite clear.
     
  9. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers Kimbo #1 P4P Full Member

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    Ortiz's only chances are to knock Floyd out or hurt him badly enough to throw him off for the rest of the night. A good jab isn't going to help him do either of those things. All he needs is a pawing jab to set up a lucky power shot.
     
  10. RJJFan

    RJJFan Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ortiz can't just throw his left hand if Mayweather moves to his left and jabs. Also Ortiz is 5'9 with a 70 inch reach, a bit taller and longer reach than Zab so it'll be harder for Floyd to outjab and hook over the jab, partiularly if Ortiz rams that jab.
     
  11. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Zab Judah is 72 inch reach
     
  12. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    is Pacquiao easy to read? dumbass. Read the whole sentence.

    And anyways, Pacquiao's defense is deceptive. Try to hit him at your own risk... as many have found out.
     
  13. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    He is extremely easy to read. It doesn't matter to yo uneducated AZZ though!
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    Disgraceful pacfags rather talk about Floyd $ all day than read their favorite fighter's book!
     
  14. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers Kimbo #1 P4P Full Member

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    That reach number is deceptive. His arms are short.
     
  15. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pacs defense is so underrated because his offense is great.
    Its one of boxings biggest misconceptions. JMM who is the most accurate puncher he has ever faced has trouble hitting him which says alot.
    It is one of the reasons i am on the fence about his chin. I have not seen him caught with many punches that he does not see coming. Those are the ones that hurt you. He is so quick with his reflexes that he braces for almost every punch.