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R by R scoring of the Valuev-Haye fight. Valuev won.

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Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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It was close, but Haye won it in my eyes.

Uncle Rico, Jun 17, 2011

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itsa huge bitch Boxing Junkie Full Member

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nothing worse when ppl state this stat(valuev 60-96 haye) to give haye the nod over valuev..u do realise that dosnt matter??haye could have landed 70 punches in one round and the rest over 3 rounds while valuev landed his over the fight..so i guess the thing the guys is trying to point out is that valuev won more rounds landing more punches along with being the agressor the whole damn fight..fights are scored round by round not at the end to see who lands the most punches...

itsa huge bitch, Jun 17, 2011

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itsa huge ***** said: ↑

nothing worse when ppl state this stat(valuev 60-96 haye) to give haye the nod over valuev..u do realise that dosnt matter??haye could have landed 70 punches in one round and the rest over 3 rounds while valuev landed his over the fight..so i guess the thing the guys is trying to point out is that valuev won more rounds landing more punches along with being the agressor the whole damn fight..fights are scored round by round not at the end to see who lands the most punches...
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True and nothing worse than idiots, who cant score the fight and give it to Valuev because they dont like Haye.

This guy is trying to point out, that he dosent like Haye nothing more.

It was clear win for the Hayemaker

Antsu, Jun 17, 2011

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I was quite surprised to see Haye hand raised at the end of the fight, I felt he didn't do enough. The decision was razor thin and I wouldn't have been pissed if Valuev got the nod tbh.

Glad Haye got the nod anyway, Valuev was ****ing awful.

Flexe, Jun 17, 2011

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Im shocked and embarassed that so many so called hardcore boxing fans dont know how to score fights.. :sad2

wooz, Jun 17, 2011

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jacklondon said: ↑

I watched the fight on tape, very carefully, and that was an

ordeal because it was one of the - if not the - worst so-called

heavyweight championship fights in history, and I watched it

with the objective of leaning over backwards to give Haye the

benefit of every doubt to see if there was any possible way the

judges could have legitimately come up with a decision in his

favor. There was not. The best I could come up with was a draw

for Haye which means Valuev retained his belt.

Round 1. Even. Each landed about 1 punch (announcers scored it

for Valuev)

2. Haye. Backing away but he landed the only decent punch of the

round.

3. Haye. He landed a couple of punches.

4. Clear round for V.

5. V again. He's the aggressor and lands more good punches.

6. V again. Same.

7. Draw. Neither effective (announcers had it for V)

8. Haye. He was more effective.

9. Haye again. Same.

10. V easily. More aggressive and effective.

11. V. Both inefective but V landed a couple.

12. Clearly Haye.

Thus a 5-5 draw was the best I could come up with giving Haye

the benefit of every doubt. The British tv announcers had

Valuev clearly ahead. Where is the scorecard of the American

and Italian judges who scored it 116-112 in favor of Haye?

Those were fraudulent scores. Also, why did Haye start

celebrating before the decision was rendered? He appeared to

know in advance what the outcome would be, even though the fight

was very close and in Valuev's territory, and traditionally the

champ retains his belt if the fight is close. And then Valuev

and his corner stood there meekly accepting the spurious

decision. They all seemed to know in advance. I believe that

the fight was fixed and Valuev and his team were in on it. I

don't know how hard Valuev was trying, but the boxing

establishment (to use a nice term for them) felt that the

flamboyant Haye could make them a lot more money than could the

stolid and unhealthy Valuev.
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It would be the only fight in history where your projected winner never actually landed a punch

icemax, Jun 17, 2011

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Antsu said: ↑

If you scored that fight to Valuev, you cant score a fight.

Valuev landed nothing significant in entire fight
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:deal

floyd_g.o.a.t, Jun 17, 2011

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Antsu said: ↑

Toney is a legend. If your heroes would stop ducking him, he would show sisters his skills in the ring
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He couldn't get sanctioned to fight Wlad

Squire, Jun 17, 2011

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shaunster101 said: ↑

jack, it's strange that 95% of your threads are about a guy you hate and just wish would disappear. Weird that :think
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Check HENDO's thread history for Wlad threads if you wanna witness real obsession.

Faerun, Jun 17, 2011

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Faerun said: ↑

Check HENDO's thread history for Wlad threads if you wanna witness real obsession.
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I'm not saying it doesn't go both ways

shaunster101, Jun 17, 2011

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shaunster101 said: ↑

I'm not saying it doesn't go both ways
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Neither did I. Them groupies on either side have become a pain in the ass and while I am more annoyed by the Klitschko pizza face brigade, HENDO's the #1 hater on ESB.
It seems like he's mad in every post he contributes. You'll find a racial undertone in everything he says.

Faerun, Jun 17, 2011

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jacklondon said: ↑

I watched the fight on tape, very carefully, and that was an

ordeal because it was one of the - if not the - worst so-called

heavyweight championship fights in history, and I watched it

with the objective of leaning over backwards to give Haye the

benefit of every doubt to see if there was any possible way the

judges could have legitimately come up with a decision in his

favor. There was not. The best I could come up with was a draw

for Haye which means Valuev retained his belt.

Round 1. Even. Each landed about 1 punch (announcers scored it

for Valuev)

2. Haye. Backing away but he landed the only decent punch of the

round.

3. Haye. He landed a couple of punches.

4. Clear round for V.

5. V again. He's the aggressor and lands more good punches.

6. V again. Same.

7. Draw. Neither effective (announcers had it for V)

8. Haye. He was more effective.

9. Haye again. Same.

10. V easily. More aggressive and effective.

11. V. Both inefective but V landed a couple.

12. Clearly Haye.

Thus a 5-5 draw was the best I could come up with giving Haye

the benefit of every doubt. The British tv announcers had

Valuev clearly ahead. Where is the scorecard of the American

and Italian judges who scored it 116-112 in favor of Haye?

Those were fraudulent scores. Also, why did Haye start

celebrating before the decision was rendered? He appeared to

know in advance what the outcome would be, even though the fight

was very close and in Valuev's territory, and traditionally the

champ retains his belt if the fight is close. And then Valuev

and his corner stood there meekly accepting the spurious

decision. They all seemed to know in advance. I believe that

the fight was fixed and Valuev and his team were in on it. I

don't know how hard Valuev was trying, but the boxing

establishment (to use a nice term for them) felt that the

flamboyant Haye could make them a lot more money than could the

stolid and unhealthy Valuev.
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It's people like you who are killing boxing

When judges give fights to the wrong people its another black mark against the sport we love

You're an idiot saying Valuev won the fight. haye landed more and threw more, that should set of an alarm bell in your head.

Lastly, Valuev landed NOTHING significant in the whole fight.

Get lost and don't score fights again

Hitman-Fan, Jun 17, 2011

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jacklondon Guest

Hitman-Fan said: ↑

It's people like you who are killing boxing

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Yeah right, schmucko, people like me who call them out on their corrupt bull****.

And, as usual, all the Haye lovers can do is call names and try to attack me personally. Do they, or can they, challenge me on anything I scored there? Can they challenge me on the scoring of any one round or anything I said? If so we could watch it together on tape and see who's right and who's wrong, but of course they can't. They only make their kindergarten insults and ad hominem attacks. And if I had been scoring that fight totally objectively it would have been a clear win for Valuev - JUST LIKE THE BIASED PRO-HAYE TV ANNOUNCING TEAM HAD IT!!! - but I was trying to give Haye the benefit of every doubt.

jacklondon, Jun 17, 2011

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jacklondon Guest

Bodysnatcher said: ↑

Valuev must be the heavyweight Willie Pep, winning rounds without landing punches.
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You, like your chums here, are talking through your ass. Valuev landed more punches than Haye.

jacklondon, Jun 17, 2011

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