Jack Dempsey vs Joe Frazier, primes

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  1. yancey

    yancey Active Member Full Member

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  2. TartanSoldier

    TartanSoldier Barnburner. Full Member

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    Frazier battles his way to a very close UD. Both men getting hurt, with Dempsey seriously hurting Frazier at one point in the fight.
     
  3. yancey

    yancey Active Member Full Member

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    Man, I just can't see this kind of fight going the distance.

    I see this as Frazier inside 8.

    Dempsey has to bomb Frazier early to win, but I don't see it happening.
     
  4. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Jack would take advantage of Joe's slow starting and deck him early, but Frazier being as tough as he was would survive and start out hooking Dempsey by the 4th round or so, and force a stoppage around 8th or 9th round.
     
  5. gattiwarrior

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    JOE BY KO , dempsey like always starts fast but joe is just a better all round slugger and wears a tired dempsey down for a late stoppage

    frazier ko 12
     
  6. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I like Jack but this is a tough battle but Jack had the harder and heavier hands
     
  7. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    190+ pound Dempsey never came close to fighting an aggressive unit such as 209 pound Frazier... But Frazier had a couple of rumbles with underrated Oscar Bonavena to go along with resume.....

    I think Frazier gets tagged by Demps hard and early, but gets into a groove after 4 rds and begins to smoke....

    If Demps fails to park Frazier within 5 rds, Frazier takes control and either stops Demps late or wins the decision.....

    I pick FRAZIER!:bbb:deal

    SR.BILL:hat
     
  8. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Frazier wins late in the fight. I believe he would wear him down eventually.
     
  9. mcvey

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    Jack takes him out inside 5rds,better puncher, more versatile ,two fisted he wins this one.imo.
     
  10. burt bienstock

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    No heavyweight who ever lived beats Jack Dempsey in trench warfare.That was his game. If he is to lose it would be a Louis,or an Ali,or a Tunney...Louis,maybe because of his
    great punching combinations that were never surpassed, or less likely, an Ali,or Tunney,
    who had the wheels to scoot out of danger when hurt. He would beat Joe Frazier because
    a prime Dempsey was more manoeuverable,and a better right hand puncher also.
    Of course an early Mike Tyson,because of his power in the early rounds and his great punching speed,would pose a threat to all of them...But Dempsey 8-5 over the great Joe Frazier who I saw in the FOTC in 1971,MSG. Dempsey in his prime had the wheels to
    outspeed Joe Frazier when the need required....
     
  11. yancey

    yancey Active Member Full Member

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    Too bad I can't get some of that 8-5. Could have boosted my retirement plan a bit. ;)

    I think Frazier would have landed something early on Dempsey to slow him down, weathered the early storms, and then would have engulfed Jack in his own trench warfare game.

    The end comes around round 6 or 7.

    This ain't some light heavyweight Dempsey would have been engaging with.

    This was a machine.
     
  12. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    It's a tale of two fights ... Dempsey has a shot of jumping out on Frazier early and catching him because of his explosive out of the gate speed. He was a lightning starter and his power is wthout question ... it is not out of the question to imagine him finishing what a Bonavena started. However if Frazier is not caught early I favor him to wear Dempsey out and stop him after eight or so .. A gun to my head I'd pick Frazier because he is far more proven to me but this one I'd rather watch than pick ...
     
  13. yancey

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    Two questions for the historians here....

    How would you rate Dempsey's chin?

    Did Carpentier really stun Dempsey in the second round?
     
  14. burt bienstock

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    Yes Frazier was a machine,as I saw beat Ali in 1971. True. And I even saw Joe in the Olympics in the 1964 trials losing to big Buster Mathis. I loved Joe Frazier. This being said,he would in Dempsey facing a more versatile fighter,
    with a better right hand than Joe,and Dempsey kod, whoever he could hit, and hit Frazier , Dempsey would. Just watch a clipo of Dempsey in the second round of the Firpo fight where virtually in a clinch,Dempsey frees his left hand
    and with a series of Gatling gun left hook-uppercuts, that I or ANYONE never seen before tears the giant Firpo apart, preparing for the one-two punch ko a few moments later..This is the prime Dempsey who was voted the best fighter
    in the two pools in the 50s and 60s. NO ONE, but NO ONE, beats this panther in the trenches. Yancey check this 2nd rd clip.
    PS. I can't place your 8-5 bet with my bookmaker Nunzio who is indisposed for awhile...:hi:
     
  15. Swarmer

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    Dempsey. Better in the clinches and a superior right hand operator.