British fighters need to step up at 20 - 0 , not 40 - 0 then get beaten up

Thats life though. There are different levels & there needs to be. Even the very best need these journeyman man types when they're learning their trade.

We do get the odd Amir Khan/Naseem Hamed who do step up young.

 

You dont need a boxers record to judge if hes any good or not, John Murray could have a record of 100 fights 100 wins but if you saw him fight youd know hes not world class.

The ones who usually tend to step up early are the ones good enough, yes theres a few exceptions to this but the ones who tend to step up late are the ones that tend to get 1 shot, get beat easily and thats the end of that.

 

By all accounts Ryan Rhodes was a disgrace last night after all his big talk

 

I do believe the majority british fighters are begining to buck that silly but very true trend, we have guys such as Degale, Groves, Khan, Froch etc that have stepped up to world level at the 20 fight mark or around that area or have started to make decent progress before they have even reached 15 fights. I hope they're example bucks the alarming trend that looked to be getting more reguler occurance, its not great to see fighters such as Mitchell get to about 30-0 and fold against the 1st world class he fights like Katsidis.

 

Britain has quite a tough domestic scene and fighters get bogged down in that. Look at Jaime Moore or Sam Webb. Decent fighters who could've had a crack at world level sometimes get chewed up and worn out.

 

To a certain degree thats very true for a couple of fighters, Moore probably being one of the best examples, guys such as Mitchell have spent too long at domestic level and he could well be worn out now, i believe his dedication is a little bit off at times as well, its unreal that he cant make Super Featherweight judging by his size at lightweight. Eddie Hearn however seems to be hellbent on changing the British boxing scene by getting his fighters as big a fights as possible, soon he will hopefully have a stable to rival ****** promotions, it could prove the calalyst for the British boxing scene to improve and hopefully it will light a fire under Frank ******s ass. :good

 

Jamie Moore is one that should have at least fought for a world title.

A combination of reckless (at times) matchmaking, injuries at the wrong time and a promoter who was playing the ''let's wait for a weak champion'' game I'm afraid.

You'll have fat chance of doing that in a division that contained fighters like Vargas, Martinez, Santos, Mayorga, Forrest, DLH, Spinks etc.

He's a top lad is Jamie though, posts on the British forum sometimes.

 

Froch was a pro for well over 6 years before he stepped up to world level, and that was straight from British title level.

 

This is a trend British do leave it a bit late to come over to the U.S to make their mark, it's because of promotors like W arren he like to protect them at home and keep creaming them.

This is one the reasons Khan is moving up the P4P list fast is he left W arren to fight in the States at the age of just 23yrs old. Khan became the youngest British boxer to headline a Vegas bill late last year, Khan also the one wanted to fight the No.1 140 fighter Bradley an American who would not take a career high purse to fight Khan.

Khan got this top American fighter clean ducking him, Khans come to take **** over and Zab is next on the list, Watch out.

 

Good and bad fighters are produced by every nation. Not every contender will become a world champion or reach the top 10. World level is a big step up, some falter and don't make it.

British boxing is up and down just like any domestic scene. A few years ago, didn't really hear about many British fighters. At the moment 3-4 are looking alright, but i've never seen 7-8 great UK boxers at one time. Theres always a drop off and once you reach the contender ranks the quality naturally dips.

The US if anything is responsible for more bad world champs and contenders than anybody else. Evidently, they also generally produce more world title holders (currently 11) and big stars. I don't know if the UK is worth singling out, it happens everywhere.

 

It's not that damn simple Carl Froch was a top am boxer and none of the others youre comparing him to are.

For **** sake the BBC had tv adverts for froch BEFORE he even turned pro:nut

you are comparing apples and oranges why cant you see this

 

Problem is other than the likes of Haye, Hatton, Eubank, Hamed and the like most of them have zero personality so aren't really good at selling big fights.

Even some of the top Americans can't fill arenas because of dull personalities -Bradley, Dawson, Williams, Ward etc and probably why they've not done big PPV numbers.

 

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bradley pryce and jon thaxton are perfect examples of guys who stop prospective world level fighters and beat them.