Jeffries power

Never noticed that before

 

Jeffries was a big puncher ... he suffered from hand and arm problems through out most of his career ... he was also more defensive minded and cautious than many realize ... while I do not rate him like a Liston I do say he hit as hard as a Norton who could be a pretty powerful puncher ...

Also keep in mind how few fights Jeffries had ... when going up against top competition being able to land is also key ...

I'm of the belief that today, if trained properly, Jeffries could have been a terrific force against modern opposition.

 

Me thinks Jimmy Jeff could whack well enough to KO anyone he could nail with a solid shot to the chops.... Was he a wicked puncher like "Louis, Marciano, Liston or Tyson?" Probably not, but I assume he was a good banger like "Foreman & V. Klit" in a sense he'd club a man down.... Jimmy Jeff had power....

Old farts and critics love to praise little Bobby Fitz as a murderous whacker, but no way in hell Fits whacked as hard as Jimmy Jeff.... Impossible to digest....
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MR.BILL:hat

 

Against common opponents Fitzsimmons seems to have been more devastating, Bill.

 

Aside from parking some bum named 'Finny' in 1900, Jeff appeared to be old school and tactical in his approach.... He was not just some reckless banger or winger looking to kill.... Jeff was a groomed pro, despite being green, he came to work to methodically do away with his foe.... Jeff was a bad mo-fo for his era.... Also, strong as an ox.... I love this guy's tale.... I wish I could've lived the times.... Cheerio....

MR.BILL:bbbhat

 

This in incorrect Ruhlin never scaled over 200lbs,in fact he only weighed that once,when he met Jeffries, he usually came in around the low, to middle 190's .Joe Kennedy never scaled 200lbs he likewise was in the middle 190's and sometimes lower.
Munroe's weight for the Jeffries fight has never been conclusively proven ,the newspapers did not agree on it and if he weighed what some suggested he would have put on over 10lbs to fight Jeffries in the 9 months since he fought Maher at 190lbs ,I think Boxrec 's 184lbs is probably about right, because one would expect Munroe to be in his best shape for his only title shot. Bear in mind Munroe was under 6 feet tall.
Van Buskirk fought in the middle 180's, Griffin at180lbs was described as being like a famine sufferer, so there are no opponents on Jeffries record over 200lbs except Johnson, in fact there are only 2 others ,over 190lbs.
The 41 years old Joe Goddard whose weight is given as 194lbs for this fight only, yet 177lbs for all his others which suggests some manipulation of the scales ,to make it seem more of a match, rather like the Louis Conn fight
The other fighter whose weight is over 190 lbs is Peter Jackson, 37 years old ,alcoholic, and tubercular his weight is given as 195lbs,he was coming out of a 3 years retirement.

Jeffries was probably a very solid banger but he never proved it against big heavyweights of any fistic stature, and light heavies and super middles took him many rounds .This leads me to put him around the middle of the pack of heavyweight champs for power
Certainly below the likes of
Louis
Baer
Marciano
Liston
Foreman
Dempsey
Tyson
Lewis
I doubt Jeffries can be classed with the Frazier's, Sullivan's, and Johannson's, or Fitzsimmons either. Fitz's results against common opponents were certainly more impressive.

 

Didn't Liston get knocked down and defeated by Marty Marshall who weighed even less than Sharkey did in the 2nd Jeffries fight? Yes. In fact Liston took 7 guys under 200 pounds the distance.

Didn't a sub 200 pound Peralta go the distance with Foreman? Yes.

Did a blown up cruiser weight defeat Tyson twice? Yep?

Nice try impostor.:hi:

 

Joe Louis took 13 rounds to stop 169 pound Billy Conn. He took eight rounds to stop an old blown up light heavyweight in Braddock.

Marciano took 11 rounds to stop tiny LaStarza and nine to stop (very) blown up Cockell and light heavyweight Moore.

Dempsey could not stop blown up light heavy Gibboms in 15 or Tunney in 20 rounds.

Baer could not stop Braddock or Loughran.

Your argument is debatable. There are many conditions that go into such a point. Jeffries, when healthy could and did flatten men. Busted them up and left them out cold. It's important to remember he had severe hand problems, trained and fought long distance fights and only had 22 fights in his career. A huge part of KOing a man is landing. He was in many ways a near amateur fighting far more experienced men. All this needs to be factored in.

 

I'll purchase this^^^^.....:goodbbb

MR.BILL:hat

 

I dont think it needs to be detached, so much as to look at with an unbiased view. I think that most of the historians today that look at articles forget to realise that like today 90% of what is said is hype and marketing and done solely to make money. It is not a true reflection of how things were.

It really annoys me, when prizefighters of the time, of all people are accused of being racist even more so than ordinary society. This is just wrong. In fact prize fighting is probably the least racist environment of those times. Coloured fighters were integrated and friends with white fighters. When Johnson fought Jeffries, Ketchell and the rest, he had his fair share of White friends and folk, and Likewise, Jeffries, Dempsey etc all had their coloured friends who wanted to be part of things. If the boxing was so racist, everything would have been segregated. It wasnt. It certainly wasnt as segregated as a 1970s Isaac Hayes movie, that is for sure.

 

Jeffries hit hard enough.
He caved in Sharkey's ribs, and knocked good fighters out.

Fitzsimmons was a bigger puncher.

 

You omit the fact that NONE of those you mentioned had up to 60lbs on their opponents.Dempsey had more first round kos than Jeffries had fights.Dempsey kod 280lbs 7 ft Ben Wray breaking his jaw in 2 places and busting his nose he hit Ko Kristner so hard in sparring he jammed his mouthpiece into his bridgework.We all know what he did to Willard
Louis smashed Braddock's teeth through his mouthpiece ,he knocked Uzcudun gold bridgework out onto the canvas , he fractured vertebrae in Schmeling's back.Louis had several opponents talking nonsense when questioned by the referee, both he and Dempsey kod giants.Louis dropped, and kod Buddy Baer with one right hand that made him turn a perfect pirouette before collapsing.
Marciano could not stop tiny Lastarza ? This is a silly comment. Lastarza was 2 inches taller than Marciano,and 4lbs heavier,it was a 10rd fight and Lastarza fought defensively all night.Lastarza was stopped twice in 66 fights once by Marciano and once by Mederos.
Lastarza was bigger than 60% of Jeffries opponents
,and he wasnt coming out of a 3 years retirement,he was young, undefeated ,and prime.
Most of Dempsey, Louis's,and Marciano's foes were at least equal in size to them and in some cases appreciably bigger .The reverse is true of Jeffries,who also usually had a considerable age advantage over his foes.