Which fighters 185lb/under can slug it out with Rocky Marciano and come out alive?

Good calls, I thown in Benny Leonard also.

Kidding aside, I am not joking about my picks. Hagler and Monzon didnt prove P4P imo about jumping into heavyweight like my picks did.

 

The man gave Jeff 2 wars. I give him a shot of pulling off the upset over Marciano. Now my picks are underdogs, but there live underdogs. I would not favor them to win, BUT they are the best picks I give in pulling it off. p4p jumpers and all.

 

ah yes of course, fitzsimmons was lacking in skill? triple crown champion including the full heavyweight title 2/3 of which were gained while Fitz was passing his physical prime.... took on men much larger than himself and destroyed them? Not possible without a great deal of skill and physical talent. in his own time revered by contemporaries and students like Gans and Johnson for his caginess in trap setting and ring craft..we're talking about a guy who McCoy washed dishes for just to get the opportunity to become his sparring partner.. He was renowned not only for his incredible skill at punching vital points but clever blocking as well...

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Fitzsimmons was more skilled than Marciano ever was.... He is arguably the greatest fighter warring on into old years and taught a willing new generation some of that knowledge. No triple crown champion is 'lacking in skill and durability'

 

And Kellerman is too much of an imbecile. To answer the thread question NOBODY at 185lb/under beats Marciano. Historical revisionism be damned!

 

:rofl:rofl..Be serious...really.

 

The size of gloves change the game from Fitz time up to the 50's imo. They were no longer skin tight like in Fitz hay day.

 

Maybe the Billy conn who fought Loius the first time (not the one who fought in the rematch after 4 years off)

He made the mistake of trading with Louis in the 13th round, but he was supposedly only like 170 lbs and his managers lied about his weight to make the match seem more competitive. If he didn't decide to trade he might have coasted to a UD victory, and I don't think Marciano would have pressured him any more effectively than Loius did, that superior footwork and intelligent jabbing off the hook coupled with mobility and being 6 feet tall would have helped. Also, Conn started with career at like 139 lbs or something and hung in their effectively with Loius, so maybe the SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT young best Roy Jones who fought Toney could hang in there, with all his reflexes intact. Remember that Marciano would not have a huge size advantage over that supermiddle Jones.

 

Louis may had better foot work, But I always felt Marciano had better pressured than Louis imo, Marciano was always trying to pressure the guy to the ropes, Louis didnt really do that. Not to the effect of Marciano at least, Conn got the lead because Louis gave Conn way too much room to move.

 

There's absolutely no way you can say something like that with surety. As far as lacking top durability... I'd say Fitz proved that in his prime unless you want to doubt his word on the Hall 'dive' without a doubt. If Fitz's durability is in question, then so is langford's.

Quite frankly i think Marciano's high hands would expose his body to Fitzsimmons....And Fitz destroyed the best HW pressure fighters aside from Jeffries.

 

Regarding the Robinson-Marciano thing...I read somewhere (vague I know) that Robby was told by his manager (and I'm paraphrasing) "we could get you a bout with Marciano" to which Robby replied (and I'm not paraphrasing cos I remember this clearly)... "You ****ing fight him!"...so that answers that.

In answer to the original question...imo nobody 185 or under slugs it out with Marciano (successfully).

 

I agree and off the top of my head I can't think of too many,

sure there are plenty of great middleweights good enough and willing to try, but too actually survive is quite something else!!!

 

Well if you beleive all the **** about what a monster puncher Jeffries was you would have to pick Tom Sharkey who twice went the distance with Jeffries for a total of 45 rds, despite conceding 6 inches in height and between 32 and 37 lbs.
Then, if you have a lick of sense you will see that Fitz wrecked Sharkey twice with one punch kos, and you will hastily withdraw his name.
I can't think of anyone under 185 whose favourite against Marciano, Conn might out speed him , but its a very long shot imo,ditto Loughran.
Langford is the only realistic candidate imo.