Jeffries power

Once again...

If Mike Tyson, Sonny Liston, George Foreman were facing a fighter who weighed 40-60lb less than them, how would that reflect on their punching ability if they allowed this fighter to go the distance with them? I say embarrassing.

No 165lb man would last more than 2 rounds against any of the above men. Choynski went 20 with Jeffries, and Fitzsimmons lasted 11 and 8 rounds. Both were outweighed by anywhere from 40-63lb.

 

I don't like this analogy.

Reasons

1. Michael Spinks was always a lot better than Joe Choynski in ever aspect of boxing outside of perhaps footwork.

2. Michael Spinks was 6'3 175lb, Choynski only 5'11 160lb.


A better comparison would be Foreman, Liston, Tyson facing Eugene Hart in their 5th pro fight. They would have murdered him.

 

He outweighed Choynski by 63lb!!!! This should have been an easy early round knockout win for Jeffries. Especially those who claime he possessed super human strength and jessie owens speed.

 

I disagree with Suzie's point. I wouldn't be surprised if a Billy Conn or Harold Johnson could go several rounds with a Foreman or Liston, weighing 170.
Body weight isn't an indicator of how many rounds a fighter goes - in fact sometimes the lighter and smaller men have an advantage of being a little harder to pin down.
Maybe there have been bantamweights who'd run around the ring escaping Foreman for a few rounds - who knows. You have to hit the little ****er to beat him. And it's a tiny little target. Swatting a fly is a frustrating matter.

 

left Mike Tyson out I see.

 

Yes.

Do you think Liston and Foreman would definitely KO all 165 - 170 pound fighters, including Harold Johnson , Billy Conn etc. in the early rounds ?

 

Are you implying Tyson does better against 165lbers than Foreman and Liston?

 

Why don't you answer my question ?

No, I'm not implying Tyson "does better". But he was a speed merchant who specialized in early KOs, so I wouldn't necessarily expect smaller fighters to last past 2 rounds.
With Foreman and Liston I think there were probably some good 165 pounders (like Conn, for example) who might last a half dozen rounds or so.

You said Tyson, Liston and Foreman. I disagree with 2 out of 3 of them. Why you only wanted to talk about the one I'm conceding, I don't know.

 

When Spinks fought Holmes ,he scaled more than Louis did against Conn.
I see you are very selective about which papers you choose to beleive.Munroe was over 200lbs ,Kennedy was over 200lbs ,show me any record that they were. You dont want to beleive Munroe was 190 for Maher, because it makes it a stretch for him to put on 10lbs for his biggest chance a title fight where, presumably he would be in the shape of his life.
We don't know how many fights Jeffries had ,his biggest arse licker Mendoza:smh ,was claiming kos over Childs and another, only last week ,and you were going along with it. You can't have it both ways.
Stop spinning you'll get dizzy.

 

Not so unimaginable, when you consider 1) Jeffries had very little experience when he face Choyinski; 2) Jeffries had well know hand problems the first time he fought Sharkey, and reinjured his left arm early when he defended against Tom.

There's more arguement in regard to Fitzsimmons lasting past ten before loosing to Jeffries. Maybe Tyson, Liston or Foreman stop him earlier. It should be remembered, though, that Jeffries was at the time praised for the patience he had shown, and for not taking unneccesary risks; also I think Jeffries was still a work in progress (though with just the right style for Fitzsimmons in _that_ fight), so I think it's fair to posit semi-matured versions of Liston, Tyson and Foreman vs. 1899 Fitzsimmons.

I think Jeffries was a good puncher, good to the body or head with the left but much prefering to work the body, and a good heart puncher with the right. I don't think he put punches together like really elite quick KO artists, but he was a body puncher who definitely beat guys up.

 

I'd say so. The speed gap would be much smaller.