Jeffries power

Solid post. McVey won't buy it though...

 

I know Cox. He left this board a while back, because in his own words he doesn't have time to argue with fools. If might interest you to know that Cox voted for Jeffries in his top ten in the exclusive IBRO poll, and had him in his top ten for a while on his website. Like everybody else he could change his mind.

As for Jeffries power, I'll take testoninals of historians of the day over your " hater " like analysis any day. Read below to learn what Jeffries did to some of his opponents, although we both know you won't accept it!:hi:

Testimonies to Jeffries' strength are numerous.

Houston (1975 p 15) said, "There was nothing fancy about James J. Jeffries. He was a die-hard fighter of the old school, relying on his considerable strength and durability to bring him victory." He added that Jeffries had a "bear-like" appearance in his slightly crouched stance, was almost impossible to hurt or discourage, and delivered clubbing blows that took their toll.

Odd (1974 p 18) said that Jeffries was the strongest of the heavyweight champions in both hitting power and build.

Carpenter (1975 p 34) called Jeffries a bull of a man out of the California iron foundries who traded on strength.

It has been written that no man was the same after being pounded by Jeffries' fists. With "TNT" in each hand, he delivered heavy, relentless blows that imparted their damage to the foe.

He cracked two of Bob Fitzsimmons' ribs in one of their bouts. He battered Tom Sharkey, breaking his nose and two ribs. Diamond (1954 p 62) said Sharkey was hospitalized for three days and suffered three broken ribs. He bashed in Jim Corbett's right side in their second match. He sent Joe Goddard to the hospital with a severe beating and dealt Pete Everett head and back injuries that kept him bed-ridden for days. Yet, Jeffries, himself, said he never hit a man with all his strength for fear of killing him.

Grombach (1977 p 50) said Jeffries was a natural puncher who was so big and powerful that he could deliver damaging blows from an almost extended left-hand that did not have to travel more than a few inches.

Keith (1969 p 127) asserted, "Jeffries probably owned the deadliest left hook the prize ring has ever known."

Tex Rickard, famed fight promoter, said "There's no style to him, but he's the hardest hitter I ever saw. And that includes Dempsey" (see McCallum 1975 p 15; Durant 1976 p 47). Diamond (1954 p 60) described Jeffries, "he was something more than a mere slugger. He was a rough, tough battler, with a mighty punch."

Sports columnist Ned Brown, said, "He was one of the most powerfully built, could take a solid punch, and had acquired a fair amount of boxing skill by the time he tangled with Jim Corbett in their second match. Jeff had as deadly wallop as any I've ever seen" (see McCallum 1975 p 12).

Odd (1976 p 163) quoted Fitzsimmons describing Jeffries in battle, "The first time he really hit me in the body, I thought his fist had gone right through me. His crouching stance and the way he tossed that long left. Every time I hit him, he punched back even harder."

Cooper (1978 p 107) remarked, "James J. Jeffries was one of the ring's indestructibles" and asserted, "Apart from having a punch that might have knocked a horse out, Jeffries' greatest asset was sheer patience."

It has been said that Jeffries could endure more punishment than any other prizefighter. He had a cast iron chin attached to a large, bowling ball head. Fight fans in New York called him a "primitive", a "caveman". He was never knocked down during his prime.

Willoughby (1970 p 358) wrote, "Certainly, among all the heavyweights up to the year 1905, when he retired from the ring, Jim Jeffries was the greatest all-around performer. While he could not hit with the lightning-speed of Fitzsimmons, he had a powerful punch in each hand, and a good defense in the form of his famous 'crouch'. Most of all, however, he was impervious to blows, either to his head, face, or body."

^^^Sounds like Jeffries had plenty of power to me.^^^

 

So would a fighter 35 pounds lighter have a shot against Tyson, Liston or Foreman ? I know, only one.

 

You're overlooking that Choynski was a far bigger puncher than Spinks who actually was a big puncher at light heavy himself.

 

Look I'm not saying he hit as hard as any of those guys ... my point is that elusive targets can frustrate big punchers. I still stand by mt position on Jeffries and if you studied the coverage of the man in his day you may change your tune and give him a bit more credit.

 

Man, the intellect that some of these golden era topics create is beyond comprehension.... I'm pretty hardcore and serious, but I prefer being direct and down to the point... Some folks in the classic forum section might have a little too much sugar in their diet...

Look, overall, Jimmy Jeff could punch... Whoever says he cannot is full of manure up to their eyeballs... For his era, Jimmy Jeff was considered skilled and athletic.... Again, I'd have loved to have seen him train and fight....

MR.BILL:bbb

 

I'm sorry, when did I ever pick Marciano to beat Tyson, Liston, Foreman?

Nice Try :tong

 

As SuzieQ?

 

Just poking fun.

 

Don't laugh....... We have a few folks here in the classic section that'll swear up and down Marciano could beat / KO other greats like "Liston, Foreman & Tyson" all on the same night.... Insane? YES!! Yet true...
:shock:atsch:rofl

I am not sold that Rocco Marciano would do well with these post 1960 champs in a time machine... I see Marciano getting hurt badly at some point....
bbb

MR.BILL:hat

 

Historians of the day what an asinine statement ?
Graham Huston,Harry Carpenter, Gilbert Odd, Henry Cooper ,Ned Brown ,etc are no more qualified to talk about Jeffries than anyone on here, none of them saw him.


None of these endorsments mean **** all because none of them fought him ,and 99% of them never even saw him fight in the flesh, they are just repeating the same old fairy tales ..



I'll give Jeffries the grade of "a solid wallop"as Jack Johnson gave him,Fitzsimmons was knocked down by light hitting Corbett .Do you think it surprising that a man 47lbs heavier ,and 12 years younger could hurt a 37 years old super middleweight?
Jeffries results are not those of a super hitter.

There is more hyperbole, and complete bull**** surrounding Jim Jeffries than any other heavyweight champion
"He never hit a man with his full strength for fear of killing him".
What a load of utter ****,and twats like you, eat it up with a spoon.

Corbett was 37 years old ,hadn't fought in 3 years ,and hadn't won a fight in 6 years, he was conceding 27lbs to the 10 years younger Jeffries.He was also having trouble with his eye sight,Jeffries hurt him? Really, that's strange?

Goddard was 41years old

Sharkey was so badly hurt in their last fight that when they wanted to restage the last round because the film had run out ,he wanted to go for real.

Everett had lost to 0-1-0 Jack Davis a year earlier,and 8 months before fighting Jeffries he was beaten by Young Peter Jackson a welterweight .After losing to Jeffries he had 19 more fights ,winning just 7 ,and being kod in 8 of them

Cox does not have Jeffries in his top ten, and one of the reasons is his lack of top power I've give you a verbatim statement from Cox so cut out the ****.
I've asked THREE TIMES for someone to tell me which prime heavyweights of any class Jeffries kod ,as in knocked unconscious?
HOW ABOUT YOU TELL ME? CHIEF JEFFRIES ARSE LICKER
Cox stopped posting on here, did he run into you ?

 

I agree with a lot of the hyperbole but that seems to be a staple of many former champs from Sullivan (the big man when he was actually not tall and only big when he was fat) to Dempsey (same criticism - tons of men write about him but how many saw his pre let alone post Wilard bouts) to of course Rocky ( never tired, nevre hurt, 100m punches every round , breaks blood vessels, ect) .. other than that one I know when to bail and i'm not becoming collateral damage in the cross fire between you and Meddoza ! Cheers!