Which ATG's fought the most 'bums' in their careers?

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  1. Tin Man Waldo

    Tin Man Waldo Freakishly Fragile Full Member

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    Ordered List - From best (LOWEST %) to worst offenders (HIGHEST %)


    1. Muhammad Ali : 8 / 61, Bum Percentage = 13%

    2. Joe Louis : 11 / 70, Bum Percentage = 16%

    3. Lennox Lewis : 9 / 44, Bum Percentage = 20%

    4. Joe Frazier : 10 / 37, Bum Percentage = 27%

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    5. Mike Tyson : 18 / 58, Bum Percentage = 31%

    6. Old Comeback Foreman : 11 / 34, Bum Percentage = 32%

    7. Wlad Klitschko : 20 / 58, Bum Percentage = 34%

    8(=). Old Comeback Holmes : 10 / 25, Bum Percentage = 40%

    8(=). Larry Holmes (1st career) : 20 / 50, Bum Percentage = 40%

    10. Vitali Klitschko : 18 / 44, Bum Percentage = 41%

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    11. Rocky Marciano : 29 / 49, Bum Percentage = 59%

    12.     Sonny Liston : 33 / 54, Bum Percentage = 61%

    13. Jack Dempsey: 51 / 77, Bum Percentage = 66%

    14. George Foreman (1st career) : 34 / 47, Bum Percentage = 72%

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    Which ATG's fought the most bums/tomatoes in their career?

    A bum can be whatever you think is a bum. Somebody crappy basically.

    I will start with some well known heavyweights, you guys can do more heavyweights, despute my calculations, and do ATG's from other weights too.


    George Foreman (1st career) : 34 / 47, Bum Percentage = 72%

    Jack Dempsey: 51 / 77, Bum Percentage = 66%

    Vitali Klitschko : 18 / 44, Bum Percentage = 41%

    Larry Holmes (1st career) : 20 / 50, Bum Percentage = 40%

    Old Comeback Holmes : 10 / 25, Bum Percentage = 40%

    Wlad Klitschko : 20 / 58, Bum Percentage = 34%

    Old Comeback Foreman : 11 / 34, Bum Percentage = 32%

    Mike Tyson : 18 / 58, Bum Percentage = 31%

    Joe Frazier : 10 / 37, Bum Percentage = 27%

    Lennox Lewis : 9 / 44, Bum Percentage = 20%

    Muhammad Ali : 8 / 61, Bum Percentage = 13%
     
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  2. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    would you class george carpentier as an all time great ?
     
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  3. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How do you judge who are bums and who aren´t?
     
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  4. Armstrong!

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    People with less than 20 wins and more than 10 losses. The kind of out of shape dudes most people fight at the start of their career to build up confidence.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QybfpHiDpJY[/ame]
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAdLQ-WySoU&feature=related[/ame]
     
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  5. Tin Man Waldo

    Tin Man Waldo Freakishly Fragile Full Member

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    Anybody who is ****, judging by film footage and records.

    I said you can despute my list and do your own calculations of bum percentages if you disagree. :thumbsup
     
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  6. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So, it´s completly subjective and thus irrelevant.

    q.e.d.
     
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  7. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    i dont like that term 'bums'....the sport is built on guys at the bottom..
     
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  8. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Foreman had the biggest build up since Billy Fox...I still think he was great and may have done more overall if he was thrown in tough earlier
     
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  9. goat15

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    not too sure about this inference, bodhi.
     
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  10. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, I am. Yes, if a fighter fought many bums his overall record and standing suffers BUT it´s important how to judge those "bums". I mean a fighter can be a "bum" when looking at the overall record of a fighter but he might not have been one at the point they fought. The criteria´s that guy here uses are pretty much useless the way he uses them. Everything needs to be put into context. He doesn´t do that. Thus what he does/did is irrelevant.
     
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  11. goat15

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    come on man, can't we just all have a laugh at foreman :hey
     
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  12. Tin Man Waldo

    Tin Man Waldo Freakishly Fragile Full Member

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    I used the records of fighters at the actual time they fought the great fighter. I looked at their records a few years before before, at the time, and a few years shortly after fighting the great fighter, and i checked their overall records, but focused on their records at the relevant time around when they fought the atg, when i was doing my detailed record analysis and i examined the records of fighters who the fighters had fought and their results against them fighters. Them results were taken into account and the importance depended on the quality of the fighters the fighters had fought, and how they won or lost against them. This job took me a long time, many hours.
     
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  13. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fair enough. Did you look at the stage that atg was at too? Because when Wlad fought Purrity for example, Ross wasn´t a "bum" - not that he was anyway.
     
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  14. Unforgiven

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    Records aren't always a good indication of whether or not a fighter is a 'bum'.

    I mean, Peter McNeeley was 35-1 or something like that when he fought Tyson. But McNeeley was a bum, built up on even worse bums.
     
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  15. Tin Man Waldo

    Tin Man Waldo Freakishly Fragile Full Member

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    Yes i did look at the stage each atg was at too.

    Wlad was green when he fought Purrity in 1998, but Wlad was still a very good fighter in 1998, fast, powerful and undefeated at 24-0. Purrity was never a bum, he was a journeyman who took lots of tough fights as the underdog pitted against a named house-fighter.
     
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