Which ATG's fought the most 'bums' in their careers?

an example why i chose george carpentier.

he defended his european heavyweight title against one Georges Grundhoven in 1920.

a little more on mr. grundhoven...

he had his pro debut in 1914 and lost by first round ko
he had his second pro fight in 1920 which he won by 5th round tko against a man who had won just 2 of his 9 pro bouts
then, 10 days later he fought carpentier for the european heavyweight title.

he had no amatuer record.

he fought twice more after carpentier and lost both.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=264025&cat=boxer



i read a lot about some of carpentiers fights being fixed, battling siki told anyone that would listen that theirs definetly was...but, why would boxing fans at the time not object to someone like grundhoven fighting for a prestigious title like that ?



carpentier , during his reign as european heavyweight champion, also fought the likes of..

Dick Smith 3-7-0
Albert Lurie 1-7-0
Ashley Williams pro debut...lost to carpentier..never fought again
Irish O'Mara (twice) 0-3-0 and 0-4-0 for the rematch
M Abbott pro debut...lost to carpentier..never fought again
George Mitchell pro debut...lost to carpentier..never fought again
Hubert Roc 2-5-1
Philippe Robinson pro debut...lost to carpentier..never fought again
Dick Smith 3-7-0
C Croissilles pro debut...lost to carpentier..never fought again

 

I can't be bothered to do my own calculation.
I commend you for the amount of the time you put in. :good

I really had assumed you would have counted Mcneeley among your 18 bums for Tyson though ! that's why I used him as an example. Tyson certainly didn't fight 18 men who were definitely worse than Mcneeley.
McNeeley's record was built on men who probably should never have been licensed, fat truck drivers, unemployable ex-convicts and junkies etc.
Probably had some fixed fights too.
A shrewd matchmaking can make almost anyone go 37-1.

I suspect even most of the best fighters would have 40% bums, fixes, washed-up has-been journeymans and tank-job artists on their record.
Sadly, that's the way they build up "great fighters".

 

You cannot expect boxrec to have complete records for the more obscure fighters of that era.

that's why boxrec has at the bottom of every page "this data may be incomplete and/or innaccurate" ....

 

Nah, he may find out were I live.

Okay, okay, I take everything back and state the opposite.


Anyway, I don´t like you ava and stuff. Wlad proved his heart more than once by getting up against Brewster and Sanders and coming back from kds to win a fight a few times. And especially by coming back from three devestating stoppage losses to be the best hw right now. It´s quite disrespectful. You are neither a gentleman nor a scholar, my friend.

 

Its impossible to categorize this. McNeeley by most would be considered a bum, but he fought with more courage and pride than a champion defending his title in Bruce Seldon.

 

I think everybody here know wha a 'bum' is, although i dont like using the term. Practically every single champion who ever lived faced his share of 'bums', some more than others. Its how the game goes. Without these 'bums' the game wouldnt be the same

 

I agree with all you guys, but George's second coming was interupted by Alex Stewart who disfigured George and still managed to lose.

 

Stewart was not a bum, he was a good contender, with good power but he couldnt handle pressure. Foremans comeback gave guys like Stewart chances to showcase their skills, and thats why he was successful against Foreman.

 

true, mcneely was not scared that night. he just didn't have the skills to compete. seldon and spinks can't say the same.

 

It's an easy argument to make that out of 49 opponents Rocky fought 40 sub-par guys ... this is negated by fighting Louis, Charles twice, Walcott twice and Moore regardless of their age as they were all still top five guys at the time... still it's not really debatable that 40 of the 49 guys he fought were tomato cans of sorts ...

 

Spinks wasnt scared. Seldon was terrified.

 

spinks was terrified. can't blame him.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1n22Vf18lQ[/ame]

 

Win loss records can be misleading especially with fighters from the past.. Hell theres even some excellent fighters today with spotty records... This is comon knowlede to anyone who knows boxing.

 

Ive watched the fight over and over. I dont see that he was terrified. If Eddie Futch says he wasnt terrified, I believe him. Seldon on the other hand was acting very uncharacteristic from the time the fight was signed until his goofy dance into the ring and his look before the fight started.