DURAN the GREAT..31 years ago TODAY

stopping a fighter is domination, and in light of the fact Duran had a younger fighter with only 2 title fights fighting his fight, he didn't stop him. Even Ray said "I fought that man at his own game and he couldn't knock me out" and he continued "I knew if I fought my fight in the rematch I would win easy". And he did. So stopping a fighter is significant as Ray proved. He was not stopped and he knew he could take Duran's best in Duran's fight, then he got experience and knew to fight his fight and he won easily. The fights speak for themselves.

 

Can I ask you a question then MAG? On a complete side note. Because I just want to see if you are actually an objective poster (at which point I will give you credit) or if you are just somebody with an agenda against Roberto Duran. Here's the question;

This question is not about resume or great wins. Regardless of where you rank him in terms of greatness, do you agree that Roberto Duran is easily one of the best and most skilled fighters of all time?

I just need to clear this up. Please just answer yes or no so we don't have to go off on tangents etc.

 

This is bull****. Stopping a fighter is domination? What about Benn stopping McLellan, some domination huh? Hopkins vs Tarver was domination. I'm losing respect for you here MAG, you're talking out of your ass

 

Yes, Duran is one of the top 20-25 all time great fighters ever. I am not sure that is what you wanted to hear, but yes if you think 20-25 is the top fighters ever.
Duran is an all time great who was dominant when he had good fighters in front of him, but he could not rise to the level of the true fast greats which a top 1-10 atg should. Regardless of gaining weight which most greats did and winning titles which most greats did moving up. Spinks,Hearns,Leonard,Benitez,Jones,Toney,Hopkins all moved up and got titles at higher weights.

 

You never answered my question. I'm not asking you about where you rank him atg, you are totally avoiding my question.

Listen, Aaron Pryor doesn't have the resume to be ranked next to Robinson etc, but in terms of h2h and skill he is one of the best.

Now answer my question please. I'll copy and paste it for you. Simple yes or no.

This question is not about resume or great wins. Regardless of where you rank him in terms of greatness, do you agree that Roberto Duran is easily one of the best and most skilled fighters of all time?

 

I am not going to respond to the Benn/McClelland fight. You love boxing right teeto? Why go to that level when discussing domination and stoppages. If you really think that stoppages are associated with Benn and McClelland then why watch or study boxing. I never thought for a second Benn and McClelland was a typical stoppage nor would I refer to that fight in any discussion.

 

No, not when it comes to beating quick fighters who used the whole ring and boxing fundamentals. He rarely met those types of fighters, but when he did he was not as effective. And that is the mark of a top 1-10 ATG fighter. But, Duran was a dominant guy when not facing those elite fast fighters, so just on that and his lightweight reign, he is 20-25. I have not explained myself in regards to how I rate Duran?

 

Ok then, you're beating around the bush to get out of making a terrible post. Let me re phrase

LaMotta-Dauthille 2 was a stoppage. Was that domination? Bernard Hopkins-Antonio Tarver was domination. Your comment was bull**** and now I have you in checkmate. Period.

 

Okthanks for clearing that up.

the first thing I said to you on this subject was this:

so now I have my answer

 

Duran/Leonard was not Hopkins/Tarver. And the Lamotta fight is my point. Unlike the first Lamotta fight, Duran did not or was not winning the rematch quite the contrary, regardless of Ray not knocking out Duran. The points you are making are not proving anything about my thinking of Duran.

 

you already knew the answer. Duran is not a top 10 ATG in my mind, but yes he is a 20-25.

 

I'll break this down simply for you

---you said stopping a fighter is domination

---I have just clearly outlined why that is untrue

--I never compared Duran-Leonard to Hopkins-Tarver, I was simply exposing your rationale for what it is, insane and pathetic

 

Noody asked you about where you rank him atg, I HAVE SAID THIS MULTPLE TIMES NOW, OK?

I asked you how you rate him for skill and ability. Everyone who has ever watched this man including Pachilles agrees that in that sense he is easily one of the best fighters that ever lived.

Please do not respong by going off topic and talking about his atg ranking. That has nothing to do with my question. If you respond in that manner it will be very embarrassing.

 

I don't look for pats on the back, I just say what I feel about boxers and have fun on here. It doesn't matter to me if I win an argument. And I answered your question and you still want more answers. Is this about Duran or winning some sort of discussion on who brought up the best points?
That is how I rank fighters and it explains my view of Duran, by where I rank him. Duran is not 1-10 ATG to me. 20-25 ATG. And as for objectivity let me put it this way. I do not like Floyd Mayweather as a fighter , he picks his opponents and wants easy fights so he can say he is great. Yet I can say he is one of the most skilled fighters who ever laced up the gloves. But he does not have the mindset of a great fighter like Duran. If you take all my comments you have a pretty good perspective of how I view Roberto.

 

I don't want more answers. I told you in post #54 I have my answer from you. I don't know why we're still talking about it, and I certainly don't know why you're still talking about atg's. Thanks for clearing it up for me. I just needed to know whether I can take you serious or not. No need in us continuing this conversation now my friend.:good