Which ATG's fought the most 'bums' in their careers?

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  1. yancey

    yancey Active Member Full Member

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    Why didn't you do Marciano's "bum" percentage?
     
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  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Earlier fighters are going to suffer under this system, because their opponents records are incomplete.
     
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  3. Tin Man Waldo

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    OK, here are 3 more Bum Percentages     -

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    Sonny List    on : 33 / 54, Bum Percentage = 61%

    Rocky Marciano : 29 / 49, Bum Percentage = 59%

    Joe Louis : 11 / 70, Bum Percentage = 16%
     
    Tin Man Waldo, Jun 22, 2011
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  4. Tin Man Waldo

    Tin Man Waldo Freakishly Fragile Full Member

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    Ordered List - From best (LOWEST %) to worst offenders (HIGHEST %)


    1. Muhammad Ali : 8 / 61, Bum Percentage = 13%

    2. Joe Louis : 11 / 70, Bum Percentage = 16%

    3. Lennox Lewis : 9 / 44, Bum Percentage = 20%

    4. Joe Frazier : 10 / 37, Bum Percentage = 27%

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    5. Mike Tyson : 18 / 58, Bum Percentage = 31%

    6. Old Comeback Foreman : 11 / 34, Bum Percentage = 32%

    7. Wlad Klitschko : 20 / 58, Bum Percentage = 34%

    8(=). Old Comeback Holmes : 10 / 25, Bum Percentage = 40%

    8(=). Larry Holmes (1st career) : 20 / 50, Bum Percentage = 40%

    10. Vitali Klitschko : 18 / 44, Bum Percentage = 41%

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    11. Rocky Marciano : 29 / 49, Bum Percentage = 59%

    12.     Sonny Liston : 33 / 54, Bum Percentage = 61%

    13. Jack Dempsey: 51 / 77, Bum Percentage = 66%

    14. George Foreman (1st career) : 34 / 47, Bum Percentage = 72%
     
    Tin Man Waldo, Jun 22, 2011
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  5. Kalasinn

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    If that's true, then nice work with your ranked list. :good
     
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  6. SonnyListonsJab

    SonnyListonsJab Active Member Full Member

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    Charles 2x, Louis, Moore, Walcott 2x, Lastarza 2x, Matthews, Layne, Cockell, Vingo, Lowry 2x, Savold, Reynolds, Shkor, Beshore, Muscato are definitely not tomato cans.

    That leaves 30 sub par guys..not 40 like you claim.
     
    SonnyListonsJab, Jun 22, 2011
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  7. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Reynolds, Shkor, Beshore, Muscato and Lowry were club fighters and Vingo a complete, unknown, unproven entity. Forty is the number and I'm far from the first guy that quoted this.
     
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  8. Foreman Hook

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    **** you! You Foreman hating dumbass!
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    George Foreman DESTROYED 2 Prime ATG Heavys called Joe Frazier And Kenny Norton in just 2 Rounds each! How many of them 14 ATG Heavys on your stupid list beat 2 Prime ATG Heavys? Most of them did not even beat one Prime ATG Heavy, FOREMAN BEAT 2!

    Now kindly **** off.
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    Foreman Hoooooooooooooooooook!
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    Foreman Hook, Jun 23, 2011
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  9. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A lot of people give Ali and Foreman stick for some of the men that they fought,while forgetting that Tyson,for example fought two complete jokes in McNeely and Mathis mini-me when he got out of chokey !
     
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  10. Foreman Hook

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    100% AGREED m8! :thumbsup:thumbsup
     
    Foreman Hook, Jun 23, 2011
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  11. yancey

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    Forty sounds about right.

    I was absolutely astounded when I studied the records of Marciano's opponent.

    Quite a few of his opponents had LOSING records!

    IIRC, Marciano fought three straight fights against guys with losing records, not too long before he fought for the title.

    One guy on Rocky's resume wound up with around FIFTY losses.

    Unbelievable.
     
    yancey, Jun 23, 2011
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  12. janitor

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  13. choklab

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    not his 3rd and 4th fights with bobby quin and eddie ross. Those two were unbeaten. al weil wanted to see if rocky (who would not move to new york) was worth financing. The canadian ross had a lengthy win streak depending on the source.

    All champions enjoyed good matchmaking. Earn while you learn and all that. Rocky was outweighed 27 times, he actualy had it quite tough as a contender. To think a lot of contenders become contenders without beating a contender.

    who would it suprised if a fighter beat the same guy 20 times to make a 20-0 record then made somebodys ratings?
     
    choklab, Jun 23, 2011
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  14. he grant

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  15. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How do you know that the missing fights weren't agianst mostly bums? Unrecorded likely mean those fights were less significant and bum probability is likely.

    How do you know how many of those unrecorded fights werent losses?

    Earlier fighters are going to suffer becuase they fought 4 round exhibitions and sparring sessions against local tough guys/bums and called them proffessional fights
     
    Pachilles, Jun 23, 2011
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