A Shot Fighter?

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  1. KikoMatsing

    KikoMatsing Galit Kami Sa Baboy Full Member

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    Okey guys, just want to ask some serious question, since i've been reading so many comments about a fighter being shot or past his prime.

    When is a fighter really is considered shot or past his prime?
    1. Number of fights?
    2. Age?
    3. Number of losses
    4. One devastating KO (e.i. PW and Hatton or the likes of Pirog on Jacobs)
    And how does that affects the legacy of the fighter that they are going to fight next.

    Since my boxing analysis is not yet that deep( been hooked to boxing for just a couple of years), I want to know your hindsights
    :good
     
  2. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well to me it varies

    Age has a lot to do with it in most cases, your old you are past your prime

    A big KO loss can also hamper careers

    Wars can hamper careers look at Bowe at 29 he was winning his fights and scored a big stoppage over Holyfield and he was still shot

    I think shot gets tossed around too much with fighters but some guys definitley are like a Jeff Lacy
     
  3. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Boxers who have lost pretty much everything that helped them achieve what they did in their careers.

    Roy Jones Jr being an example.
     
  4. suckeggs

    suckeggs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Anyone that fights David Haye or Pacman
     
  5. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    You kind of correct it really depends on the individual, to many wars, brutal kos age is a factor and also fighters can become mentally shot.
     
  6. Leonard

    Leonard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    no real equation. some stay active or fit but still expire early. i guess it's mental more than anything. if the boxer still has it himself, his body will follow and could very well contribute to longevity. getting less into wars like should also be a factor
     
  7. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Buw4hScc54I[/ame]


    Watch from 02:55 and u get a decent definition of shot from the commentators
     
  8. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A simple definition of shot is
    fighter simply isnt as good as he used to be....
     
  9. BagsWithDust

    BagsWithDust Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree 100% percent with what you just said. imo another good example, today, would be zab judah
     
  10. fletch2069

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    You can't say any one thing. Age can be a factor in most fighters but then you look at Hopkins who's taking on young fighters at their peak like Pavlik or Pascal.

    You can't really say suffering a dramatic KO. Look at Khan. People can come back from KOs.

    It can usually a run of bad performances and/or defeats that signals a shot fighter.

    Or in the eyes of biased fans, a shot fighter is just a matter of opinion
     
  11. bandido

    bandido The Black Bandit Full Member

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    i think this is more of a definition of a past prime fighter. a shot fighter simply is someone who can no longer pull the trigger or throw punches (easily gassed, poor reflexes)
     
  12. KikoMatsing

    KikoMatsing Galit Kami Sa Baboy Full Member

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    Can you guys give some names of a past prime or shot fighter that are still active today
    so that I can have a better picture
    Or like when was Dela Hoya in his prime and when was he's past it?
    Is Miguel Cotto a shot fighter or past his prime, how about Marquez?
     
  13. BlackBrenny

    BlackBrenny Guest


    1 Number of fights? No, because you can have 50 fights without one war, and 20 fights with ten wars and become shot. Michael Brodie became shot at a young age thanks to too much punishment, he came back a year ago and lost to Anthony Crolla, who he would have destroyed in his prime.

    2 Age? This is subjective, age affects lighter fighters much more than heavier ones, some fighters hit their prime early, some late.

    3 Number of losses? No, how did they lose? KO? Five KOs in a row? or 5 robberies were they outboxed the other guy without getting hit a lot.

    4 One devastating KO? it certainly doesn't help, but it all depends how that fighter looks after the KO, if they get KO'd or destroyed systematically two more times in a row early, by lesser fighters, then they are shot.
     
  14. rocky538

    rocky538 Lineal Champion Full Member

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    Watch De La Hoya vs. Steve Forbes, then watch DLH vs. Trinidad.

    Watch Mike Tyson vs. Lennox Lewis, then watch Holmes vs. Tyson.

    Watch Roy Jones Jr. vs. Glen Johnson, then Watch RJJ vs. James Toney.
     
  15. fletch2069

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