This content is protected Who would you like to fight now? This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected Joe Frazier This content is protected Yep, that Ali-Frazier thing don't ever end, does it Muhammad? [At this point in interview, Muhammad Ali falls asleep and starts snoring] This content is protected Don't be offended. Because of his illness, he gets tired very easily and falls asleep. He also has flashbacks to the Frazier fight and starts punching in his sleep. [Muhammad Ali punches the air as he continues to snore. Suddenly, he lunges at me and shouts, "Boo!" I nearly fall out of my chair in surprise] Shahin: You set me up This content is protected Whenever he starts snoring, it's my cue to talk about his flashbacks to the Frazier fight. He did the same trick on the Sixty Minutes show. :rofl
Don't you know that the main reason that Ali is like he is today is primarily because of the punishment he took from Joe Frazier? Frazier perhaps more than anyone, he tok more sustained punishment from Frazier than anyone. Harder and more sustained punishment than from Norton, Foreman, Shavers, you name them. Sure, none of the other punches he took from all the other guys didn't do him any good, and added to the end result, but it was Frazier whose punishment really took it's toll. Frazier may have lost two out of three from Ali, and it may be said that history has been a bit unkind to Joe, particularly all the latter day opinions of all of today's "experts" and fans in general, who just pick a modern or historical heavyweight at random and have him a knockout winner over Frazier. The toll of punishment delivered by both men, Ali and Frazier, in their three bout series really ruined both of them, but particularly Ali. The Thrilla in Manilla get played "ova and ova and ova again" ad nauseum, but it's really unfair to Joe Frazier that the FIRST one, The Fight of the Century, NEVER sees the light of day, probably to the delight of the Ali nut huggers and worshippers. It would really boost Joe's stock today and be a reminder to today's "experts" of Joe Frazier's great moment in the sun as the real, legitimate winner of that fight, and how determined, relentless and great he looked in doing so.
Yes, i know all that as does most everyone. I just found Ali's trick very very amusing which is why i posted this. I did not know of it (the trick)
Disagree, Foreman had Ali out cold on his feet many times according to Ali himself. Shavers hit him flush with HUGE shots seriously hurting Ali, Norton landed so many times on Ali. And afterall Ali wasnt shot after the first Frazier fight it took many more punches to do him in
You didn't miss the point and think Ali's nightmares of Frazier and punching in his sleep were real did you? It was all a joke.
No, I realize it was his joke, but that's not seeing the forest for the trees, as I'm referring to the pathetic condition that Ali is in. And again, it's acknowledged that Ali ook some heavy shots from Foreman, Shavers and Norton, but none of them contributed to the state of Ali's health IMO as Frazier. He punished Ali far more than those other guys did. If Ali had never fought Joe Frazier, he would be one of the most active wits in the world today, and probably would be urged to run for President or something.
well there are 2 belifs. punch drunkness is caused by major single shots or small multiple shots. frazier made ali look like a chelsea drunk in the 11th round of the first fight. if so i would go for frazier on both counts.:good
No worries, but we are on different tangents. I posted this for a mild laff as i found it funny. We all know the other jazz. I thought Ali's joke a classic. Ali's health is actually all speculation too. We don't know which punch or selection of punches did the damage, if indeed it was a punch at all.
I'm a self confessed Ali "nuthugger" as you put it, and although I take your points on Frazier, Ali was more significant in the media, more significant in the sport, a better athlete, a greater figher, and achieved a hell of a lot more than Joe Frazier ever did. Therefore, on that basis, I'm not surprised he gets all the limelight and Frazier doesn't. Hardcore fans though, they acknowledge everybody. They are the only people who really matter from a boxing standpoint.
Thanks mate, cheers. What got me the most was that even in the reading, i had been taken in and was thinking damn man, that's just freaky hahahaha. Thankfully he wasn't here to gimmee the boo
So did Nijinsky the famous ballet dancer ,Katherine Hepurn,and Michael J Fox, does that mean Ali's condition isn't directly attributable to boxing ? Ferdie Pacheco thought it was.Any way are you sure your Aunt didnt box? Probably got loads of posters and scrap books in the attic ,with all her fight clippings.
Very funny, well done. I don't think anyone should relate Muhammad Ali's illness with boxing one hundred percent; he might have just been a boxer who happened to develop Parkinson's disease regardless of exposure to head trauma.