Just finished watching some Meldrick Taylor and Zab Judah and it got me thinking... Sorry if this thread has already been done elsewhere but what were the biggest differences between ring talent and ring IQ? What fighters had all the talent in the world but lacked the ring smarts to use it properly? What were the best examples of fighters winning solely because of talent or fighters losing despite the talent?
Maybe an obvious place to start would be the case of Wilfred Benitez..he used his genius appropriately enough for the most part in the ring..but he squandered it somewhat by not being so dedicated in the training camp..he dissapated himself IMo. The cases of Taylor and Judah stand out to me because both of them could have balanced out their physical gifts and intuition with a bit of textbook boxing basics..more attention to defense and a sense of when to lay back and use those "book learning" basics to deal with moments of adversity...better ring generalship maybe. Hector Camacho is another case in point..he let the head problems he developed after the Rosario fight inhibit his early career killer instinct and offensive bravado and just concentrated on how to stay safely out of danger..to a pathological extent.
good picks on benitez and camacho:good benitez is kind of a case of all natural talent, no dedication. i was debating camacho myself and i think he fits in. he was all speed and if/when that didn't work, he had little to fall back on. even faded as they were, he had the tools to beat chavez but lacked the confidence and generalship. i am a big meldrick taylor fan but watching him recently, i realize he never could had ruled at the top with what he had. someone described him recently as a "smotherer" and it fits. he threw a 100, rapid fire, amateur punches which prevented any offense from his opponent. take that away, and he had zero defense and very weak/average fundamentals. he didn't throw punches with any authority and never timed his flurries to maximize them. instead, he just threw combinations without any rhyme or reason as if he was in the AMs.
I was never as enamored of Meldrick as others were. He never seemed to be a "total" or well balanced fighter. As an analogy, he's like a fast talker who dosrn't let anyone get a word in edgewise, but when he runs out of breath, he's done for.
i like that analogy and it really fits. he never managed to channel his talent into anything substantial...i think with a better trainer who could teach him how to use his speed and fluidity better, he coulda been something. directionless talent turned into nothing but flash really quickly with ole meldrick
Jermain Taylor is the guy I think of instantly. Extremely talented with blistering speed, exceptional physical strength, good balance but apalling ring IQ. The guy would literally sit with his back against the ropes, his hands around his chest and let guys like Ouma, Winky Wright, and Pavlik unload shots against his head. He would back straight up, drop his hands after punching, and commit every other mistake in the book. Michael Dokes maybe. Howard Davis
When you think about it Juan Laporte had some great physical gifts, i.e. great punching power, a cement chin, underrated hand and foot speed, but he would fritter away rounds by refusing to throw punches. Overall he didn't have very much ring intelligence.
Jermaine Taylor was borderline ******ed in the ring. I think his sheer stupidity confused Hopkins a bit though
Roy Jones Jr... He should of been up there with Robinson, challenging the Sugarman for the title of Greatest fighter ever. But instead is merely a borderline Great, because not least he was not the smartest fella. Did he really think he could not beat Michalczewski or Maske in Germany or Benn and Eubank in Britain?