Bad posture?

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  1. SteelShoulders

    SteelShoulders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sc-rap is (in my book) mostly correct in what he says. He just does not explain the stuff from A to Z. Look at his words in relation to; balance, center of gravity and movement. All are correct, but he's giving the top level view. Your body is to move your head not vice versa prime example Amir Khan. Look at, Floyd/Bhop/Andre Ward/Wlad punch, and look at how their kinetic chain is always closed. That should be a testament to balance right there.
     
  2. SteelShoulders

    SteelShoulders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dealt_With you never want to stop kinetic energy nor break the chain so saying 'halt movement' when you mean 'transfer weight/energy' could confuse nearly anyone.
     
  3. tai chi

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    Stealshoulders well written this post should go down in the articles of boxing news.
     
  4. tai chi

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    The only reason why I'm on saddoboxing is to talk to you! Andre Dirrel fried his brains out in the 60's and thinks he's an abo. WTF!
    Have no interest in talking to a man who has lost all sense of self-identity.

    Greysnosobalanced has no power behind his punches because he's left hook travels past his right shoulder and you s**** were the one who pointed this out.
     
  5. SteelShoulders

    SteelShoulders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tai chi i'd love to take credit but that was heavily inspired by my breh yuzo from a hip hop/boxing forum (hint hint) there are tons of other jewels he's dropped on there.
    Dude taught me how to throw the pull counter correctly from gifs alone
     
  6. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Interesting, liked your previous post, but saying moving hips violently, Hips on there own dont actually move, its whats below them that do the job. Also theres a strong kinetic link between hip and thumb, actually with most things, never gets a mention, other than that Thumbs up :D.
     
  7. tai chi

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    Exactly! That's what greys says time and time again to turn your hips over violently. Once again you've shut him down:happy
     
  8. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ive never heard him say it in that context, this fits you. You can talk to a man with a wooden leg, but not a man with a wooden Head.
     
  9. tai chi

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    Ask him!
     
  10. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    What happens when you're standing up on the back of a truck and it violently brakes to a dead stop? That's what has to happen at your hips, and your shoulders, in sequence.The larger segments create force at the start of the kinetic chain, the rest of the segments are responsible for velocity summating. Tendons are responsible for power, you need to stretch them hard and fast so they recoil hard and fast. If things aren't stopping then nothing is stretching, you're not using the elastic energy of your tendons.
    If segments are stopping then each following segment is going to be accelerating, if you keep moving your whole body simultaneously everything is slowing down, you're unbalanced and you're pushing punches. See Tim Bradley for a good example of a guy who pushes with his whole body, as his fist is moving towards his oppenent look how slow it is actually moving at the point of impact, look how he is always throwing himself off balance. Then go look at a 'slow' fighter with a good punch and look at his fist at the point if impact. It's all about what's happening lower down in the kinetic chain, every movement is classified into a push vs throw (simultaneous vs sequential). If segments aren't stopping your movement is a push. Biomechanics 101.
     
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    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    What you're saying here is just a very convoluted way of saying what I've said, with a focus on the hips for some reason. That lag between your hips and fist is just the stretch between your hips and shoulder. If you want to learn more about that look up research on golf and baseball technique.
    I think focusing on 'turning the hips' isn't a good cue for most people, as your hips can't turn on their own. Athletes with more body awareness are just going to find more problems with that. Most people are also going to turn their hips with the punch, instead of letting the shoulders lag.

    Here's an okay article explaining some things simply that are relevant to throwing a punch:

    https://lehmansbaseball.wordpress.com/tag/hip-shoulder-seperation/
     
  12. SteelShoulders

    SteelShoulders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thats why my man dropped the nonito gif on me. Nonito's hips technically aren't rotating correct its the hip following the feet.

    Kinetic link between thumb and hip aye?
     
  13. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well actually everything comes from the hip Reagen centre of gravity. Theres lots of little fun things you can do, that gives you the clues, back to the hips to protect the coxxys they only move 6% up and down side to side, ankle has 6% side movement, where the knee has only 3% movement side to side. Thats why we walk with a 15% knee lift to protect the knee. Theres lots of these 15% movement all over the body which if not corrected can cause injury. 95% of injuries happen with out of line hip problems. Plus the thumb gives humans their IQ, it does a lot more than we give it credit for :D. plus it helps with balance in movement and direction.
     
  14. im sparticus

    im sparticus There Ye Go. Full Member

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    @SteelShoulders. In the clip where you show donaire throwing the left hook. I noticed that his elbow wasnt behind his wrist ive always been led to believe the elbow needs to be directly behind the wrist for a true hook.

    @taichi. In your lamon brewster example i noticed that when he was displaying the left hook he never turned his thumb over and left it pointing up its always been my understanding that you should turn your thumb over on the hook.
     
  15. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wherever the hook starts or finishes, depends where you direct the thumb, thats the direction the elbow will take. Done properly it protects the shoulder. Plus the knee and elbow should be in line on contact.