Baer v Sharkey

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  1. mcvey

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    The Livermore Larruper Max Baer versus The Boston Gob Jack Sharkey
    Both inconsistant and unpredictable as hell .
    Prime for
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  2. janitor

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    Which Sharkey vs which Baer?
     
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    Well I asked for primes ,so you pick,maybe Baer v Schmeling? Or Carnera?
    Sharkey v Godfrey or Wills?
    Thats the point of it , two unpredictable guys.
     
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    I lean slightly towards the best Sharkey on points, but only slightly.
     
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    Me too ,but I bet you wouldn't put any money on it.:lol:
     
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    Oh no.
     
  7. bodhi

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    I´m a bit more sure about the outcome than you guys. Sharkeay at his best beats Baer at his best. He may be in trouble a few times but in the end he will end out on top. Sharkey at his best could box beautifully. Look what Loughran did to Baer. It would be similar just closer and a much harder fight for Jack.
     
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    Baer could knock his block off at any time and might be more clever in setting it up than people think.
     
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    Against any version of Sharkey than the absolute best this might be true. But Sharkey on his best was a class above Baer at his best. If Sharkey would have been able to fight at this form during his career he would be rank solidly inside the Top10 and many would have him in the Top5, perhaps even Top3. He had the potential. For me the two hws with the greatest unfullfilled potentials are Sharkey and Walcott. Baer and Tyson aren´t that far behind though.
     
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    Sharkey unless he gets knocked out, which is very possible. He was solid defensively but a sudden burst of aggressiveness by the unorthodox Baer could catch an unfocused Sharkey by surprise.
     
  11. Duodenum

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    I don't think either would be out of focus for the other. Jack was by far faster than Max, who was conclusively out sped by Carnera. Sharkey was comfortable boxing big heavyweights Wills, Godfrey, Phil Scott, DeKuh, and Carnera in their first match. Of course he'd be aiming for a decision win. Maxie would need to knock him out, and he'd be well aware of it.

    Sharkey got decked twice by Louis in the second round of their Yankee Stadium showdown, but got up and was fighting back over the final 30 seconds to survive the stanza, a rare enough achievement against a finisher like Joe to be noteworthy. Max was far more likely to be able to do it with one punch if he connected though.
     
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    Louis was 12 years younger than Sharkey.

    "In the second round,I hit him with a hard right,and he went down. After I scored that first knockdown, my coordination was right and my punch had returned.
    I got him down for a count of nine,and another count of eight ,in the third round. He kept getting up ,I remember him trying to be brave, by smiling, with all the blood coming out of his mouth. I was giving him everything I had.Then I gave him a left to the chin, and two short rights to the head.
    This time he stayed down for the full count."

    Joe Louis.
     
  13. Ted Spoon

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    The Sharkey from 1927-31 was a superior fighter to Baer; more tools, and more adaptable.

    The danger for Sharkey is not so much Baer's punch, but his determination which would haunt Jack for fifteen rounds as he tries to hustle a decision.

    It's a really tough one to pick knowing how Sharkey could lose his way, but Ted Spoon would like to believe that the best Sharkey would have the tactics and mental drive to see a tough fight through to the end for a points victory.
     
  14. red cobra

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    True Sharkey was skilled...but he WAS NOT a Loughran...and he sure as hell wasn't a Tunney...the difference?..Sharkey was known to let his emotions get the better of him and lacked the sharp focus and discipline to go with his skills and the chin as well. It's possible that Jack could have had a great night and outpointed a goofball Baer...but it's also possible that a focused, "on" Max Baer would have rendered him unconcious, or clobbered him like he did Schmeling.
     
  15. bodhi

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    If we take an "on" Baer, we have to take an "on" Sharkey too. And that one was that good.

    Baer did not clobber Schmeling. Watch the fight it weas even or at least close going into the last round. :bart