been looking around on the net for good fights to learn things from... what fights do u guys recon are the best techniqueal fights? thanks
any of james toneys early stuff at MW/SMW... one of the few ring geniuses, perfect balance between offense and defense. His fights against Barkley and Nunn deserve special mentions. The guy perfected the shoulder roll and it proved very effective for him PBF's surgical destruction of Gatti and CHico COrrales are also great to watch, proves that speed and angles have alot to do with effective punching power Lastly, if you wanna be a bit more unorthodox, then watch some Roy Jones and Joe Calzaghe. The way Joe took apart Jeff Lacey was a joy to watch. RJJ against James Toney, funnily enough, is also a masterpiece. It proves just how good RJJ was, to outclass someone with the skills of TOney really is a super natural effort. And not just outclass, school.
if you wanna see a boxer nullify an opponent with very great and effective counter punching, watch the last green/beyer fight... :tong :deal
youll learn different things watching different fighters.. if you wanna learn ring generalship and how to close the distance watch some joe louis dvds, the guy was brilliant at being patient and moving an opponent around staying right in the range, kostya and sonny liston also... for defence and head movement youll like frazier and tyson.. youll get to know alot about pressure watching hagler, tyson and duran.. watch how they move in the ring.. theyre not just chasing their guy in circles while trying to hit him.. when their opponents move they move to check them.. its great stuff
Yeah it is a shame, Toney could not settle and stay at super middle or even try and be a 175 pd'er, great fighter, who could have made a bigger legacy for himself.
Stay away from guys like Roy, Pernell, Floyd, Toney etc etc. These guys fight unorthadox, through their complete knowledge of the basics of boxing. They have learned to rely on their natural talent, and how to utilise their superior athleticism and reflexes. Most time, you see some new kid in the gym, wants to fight like these guys, and gets his arse handed to him. You are far better off watching guys who are techincally superb, textbook though. Ricardo Lopez, Juan Manual Marquez, Rafael Marquez are some of the best fighters you can watch IMO for this. Guys who fight almost perfectly straight from the boxing textbook. It all depends on your style though. Your best off learning the basics though, fighting with your hands up and being tidy with you punches. Then trying to utilise your own individual style. Realise what your strengths are, and watch fighters who's style you believe would be effective in working to your personal strengths. Watching guys like Toney is bad though if you expect to imitate them, because the last thing you want to do is start trying to shoulder roll, and switch stance and square yourself up in close quarters like he does. You will end up getting KTFO very fast. That comes from 20 years in the gym, after having a superb knowledge of boxing technique. Not the sort of thing you want to start off doing, you will only teach yourself bad habbits.
I understand what your trying to do here, and these guys are superb technical fighters. But not the sort of guys you want to learn things off as a beginner. 99% of experienced pro boxers can't do the things that Floyd, Toney, Roy and Calzaghe can do in the ring. There is a reason for that. The unorthadox techniques they use- Shoulder roles, leading with power punches, shoe shinning and dazzling combinations are extremely hard to perfect.
I know what you mean esp with Floyd, Pea and RJJ. But can you say the same about Toney. Imo he is just a well schooled old style trained fighter. He has learned his technique properly unlike the others based on speed. But i agree that not many people will pick up or be skilled like Toney. I like alot of the European fighters, they are pretty technical, good guard straight punches, not flashy style.
A lot of Toneys technique is very unorthadox. He squares up on the inside, uses the shoulder role, dips his head down to his waist and then pops back up to fire combinations. Definitely not the sort of fighter you want to try and learn things off as a beginer. European fighters can be very good, like Mikkel Kessler as well. Great fighters to look at if you want to learn boxing.
Yeah imo not reliant on speed like Floyd and Rjj, but is unorthodoz though, i like his style. There are ame good European fighters to look at, i still need to d/l Sidorenko's last fight against Anselmo.
