Boots v Ortiz

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  1. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep this is it.
     
  2. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This cant be real. Bud was stripped of the belt Boots was "awarded" which is why he was called an email champ. Bud already offered Boots the fight who turned it down. Is Bud supposed to stop his career trajectory and beg Boots to fight? Beg for the belt back that he was senselessly stripped of? Boots best win is some guy named Karen. That's it. Yet you want Bud to let Boots call the shots??? Are you high?

    Nothing you said about Espinoza matters AT ALL. Bozy Ennis confirmed there was NO CONTRACT - Boots couldve fought under Top Rank or GBP or BLK Prime or even DANA WHITE if he wanted to, but Bozy said they were too loyal. That loyalty cost them the chance to be undisputed WW champion. He couldve fought Bud in December of '22 and unified against Spence in July of '23. Instead, he DUCKED and shot down negotiations before they took off...because he was loyal to a platform that closed down a year later.

    Yeah, naw. Boots ducked that Bud fight. Just like when Bud had Boots fumbling on the podcast...Boots was glazing even then

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    Boots never wanted Bud. He did use Bud's name for clout and self-promotion but that was it. Hell Boots aint even want Vergil Ortiz in the summer, saying he communicated w the wrong email lmao
     
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  3. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Spence Crawford 2 never happened and Bud was still at 147 when Boots had his belt. He could've gotten it back. Crawford was already in negotiations with Spence in March 2023 on the showtime platform, it seems logical Showtime would prioritze undisputed. Boots was another name in the hat and you have no clue how much BLK was even offering to make the fight. They weren't even signed with Crawford in 2023 so you don't have a clue, not to mention BLK didn't have any real leverage just like Boots has no leverage on Bud.
    This is hilariously false. You couldn't get any more wrong
    https://fightnights.com/2022/03/15/...ght-deal-with-showtime-to-face-clayton-may-14

    But since you want to believe everything Bozy says instead of the literal president, he also said BLK prime refused to negotiate with Showtime to stage the fight.
    So why hasn't Ortiz signed the contract ? You claimed Boots is ducking Ortiz in 2026, that was all you, last year Boots was in a different weight class, now he's at 154 and signed his end of the deal to face Vergil. We can forget about everything else, because the thread has nothing to do with Crawford. So please, go ahead and prove that Boots is the one ducking Ortiz currently. Your previous posts about the topic aren't going to age well because Boots is going to beat him, Oscar knows it.
     
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  4. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your info and knowledge is more scattered than a person w Tourettes syndrome. Bud and BLK Prime contacted Boots for the December, 2022, fight that wound up being Avanyensan after Boots ducked. If Boots wanted undisputed THAT was the time - beat Bud in December of 2022 then unify for undisputed in July of 2023. Boots passed on the fight and Bud did exactly that.

    If Bud fought again at 147 it wouldve been very suspect especially at that time, during 2023-2024, when Boots was the only credible WW threat. Bud never fought at 147 again and was involved in negotiations with Tszyu and Fundora:

    https://www.boxingnews24.com/2024/10/crawford-vs-fundora-given-10-day-extension-by-wbo-to-negotiate/

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    Boots passed opportunity to fight Bud and when he was offered a fight he suddenly had a loyalty problem, not a contract problem. Bud moved up and immediately Boots started calling him out again. And, yes, I will go with Bozy Ennis - Jarons father and trainer - over Espinoza...who had ZERO contractual ties with Boots or Bud. Espinoza literally didnt matter at all unless Boots or Bud let him matter and Bozy/Boots did. Boots couldve just signed w BLK Prime for one fight - EXACTLY like Bud did - and moved on, and been a WW champ ready to unify for undisputed. Instead, continued and still continues to fight fringe contenders.

    As far as Vergil and Boots, the only objective thing we know is that Boots ducked summer, 2025. We'll find out in coming weeks what is what. Hopefully the fight gets done.
     
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  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No it's not, you're just illiterate
    Anything in 2024 is irrelevant.
    Stanionis is not a fringe contender. Not only was a contract never sent, but your own source questions the validity of BLK prime considering Crawford only had a 1 fight deal and that fight was with Avanesyan. And according to Bozy BLK prime didn't WANT to negotiate with Showtime

    Also, you're lying out your ass. It was already confirmed by Espinoza and boxing scene that showtime and Boots had a 3 fight contract which lasted until after Crawford Spence was had a deal
    https://www.*******.com/articles/en...th-showtime-face-custio-clayton-14-co-feature


    https://fightnights.com/2022/03/15/...ght-deal-with-showtime-to-face-clayton-may-14

    If you look carefully, Bozy said he never signed anything, he didn't say Boots never signed anything. So that might have went over your head
    https://3kingsboxing.com/team-ennis...ZRMkxTZndGXzZlb2RlUk5Ta3JzTjJzLVV1VTVxa090a0s.

    Anyone with an iq above 80 knows whos avoiding the fight in 2026 and it's not Boots.
     
  6. bjl12

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    2024 is completely relevant because thats when Bud next fought (after Spence) since your entire argument rests on, "hurr, durr, well why didn't Buddy fighty Bootsy Wootsy after Spencer, hurr?" Bud never fought at 147 again. Try to keep up.

    Stanionis is a fringe contender. Him being Boots best opponent shows how bad Boots resume is and shows Boots is pretty much still a prospect himself. He HAD the CHANCE to fight Bud but wouldnt even engage in negotiations. If Boots or his handlers were as confident as you, they wouldve found a way to fight Bud, they wouldve negotiated fights and/or contract length, they would have fought Ortiz in 2025 before they lost the email, they would have found a way to fight Brian Norman Jr., but none of those things happened. And - to be clear - there was no paper contract w Showtime, it was Ennis word. I can add the dictionary definitions of written contract and verbal promise to help explain how those two things are different because you seem to have trouble differentiating the two (your own link says its a verbal promise, not a written contract).

    If you want to keep glazing on Boots, be my guest, but do so knowing he ducked Bud and made no effort to fight him, he swerved Vergil in 2025, and he wouldnt bet on himself to fight Brian Norman Jr. Dude a 30 year old prospect and you obsessed like a girl w a crush. Enjoy bro
     
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  7. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    So you admit he ducked him before that point?
     
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  8. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No
     
  9. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's not relevant at all. The spence rematch fell through, but thats the reason he vacated the IBF, you said it. After it fell through he was still the welterweight champion. Furthermore, Spence actually wanted a rematch at a 154 catchweight, Crawford demanded it to be at 147 instead, so with this in mind, Boots still has his criticisms, but it would seem a bit odd for Crawford to claim he was getting too big for welterweight as soon as Spence pulled out. I think it's nonesense to say Crawford ducked Boots objectively, he would probably beat Boots

    Writing like an egomaniac also, your supposed facts have been proven wrong on 6 different occasions.
    An undefeated fringe contender with a world title. Dumbass
    Ortiz had a tune up when he first moved to 154 despite already beating Kavaliauskas. Look at who he fought in his first 2 fights, in his second fight at 154 he was fighting someone Boots already destroyed in a round. Boots wants his second fight at 154 to be Ortiz, guess whos pricing themselves out now ? You're a hypocrite.
    Your own source says Boots signed a deal.
    https://3kingsboxing.com/team-ennis...ZRMkxTZndGXzZlb2RlUk5Ta3JzTjJzLVV1VTVxa090a0s
    That is not a verbal agreement, that is literally a written contract. Why do i have to explain this crap ? This is elementary school logic
    More hypocrisy. Brian Norman was sent 3 offers, he rejected all of them despite them being confirmed career high paydays for him. But you won't blame Brian Norman, you blame Boots. That is likely far WORSE than negotiations between Boots and Crawford breaking down, not only because Crawford was also looking at Spence, but because you don't even know what BLK prime offered. You have 0 insight.
     
  10. tarrant45

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    Nah. You can't use the hiding behind the promoter excuse. Ortiz and his manager are the bosses not Oscar. They can make the fight anytime they want for any money.
     
  11. young griffo

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    Boxing 2026.

    A heated debate over who is avoiding who instead of a heated debate about who wins their upcoming signed and sealed fight.
     
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  12. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Take the risk or lose the chance Full Member

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    Did you miss the whole many v may years
     
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  13. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was there for that. I didn’t even watch it when it eventually occurred because it was basically pointless by then.
    It’s been boxing for some time. “What iffing” about fights that could and should have been made but never were.
     
  14. MarkusFlorez99

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    Oh would you look at that. Your comment aged like McDonald's fries, just like i told you was going to happen
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2026/jan/16/vergil-ortiz-jr-golden-boy-lawsuit-dazn-ennis

    Boots didn't duck Ortiz, him and Eddie Hearn want the fight. They already signed their end of the deal and I tried to tell your goofy ass. **** you, **** your posts and **** everyone who supported your false narrative
     
  15. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Why am I tagged on this post, you absolute chicken nugget