I'm sure this has been done before, but what would really happen if, say, p4p Randy Couture fought Lennox Lewis.
Yes this has been done a bazillion times. :-(( Lennox wins a boxing match. Couture wins an MMA match. Thread closed. :roll:
Couture. Find footage of Lewis sparring with that guy who went on to do MMA. He trips Lewis over. So Lewis gets angry, tries to fight with him and the guy just throws Lewis to the floor again. Any MMA fighter would do the same and then pound his face in.
Not worth debate. Boxers are trained to box. MMA guys are trained in all types of different ****. Isn't it usually the guy with more weapons that wins.
atsch Dude..you twisted what happened. They were sparring, they were in close and that Williams guy did some judo throw. Lennox got up, and went straight back to sparring, got in close again, and he threw him to the ground. Lennox didn't try and fight anybody. And that guy was Jeremy Williams, the same guy Peter knocked out cold. I can only imagine what would of happened had he fought Lewis in a professional Boxing match. atsch [YT]qp2vWfb7Smk[/YT]
Ive watched a lot of both, no ufc fighter could taken more than three of 4 of lewis' punches, and boxers are able to move so could avoid and take the punches are an average striker which is what the best of ufc fighters are. In order to get in a groud attack they'd have to take some leather, then its lights out.
Ok this is ridiculous logic. Lewis/Williams were BOXING, SPARRING with 18oz gloves. There are no takedowns in boxing therefore Lewis wasnt defending or EXPECTING to be taken down. I'm sure Williams would easily be able to do that boxing Randy Couture as well. And Lewis ended up beating the living **** out of Williams that they ended up kicking Williams out of the sparring session. Lewis would lose in MMA to Couture. Couture would lose in boxing to Lewis. No MMA fighter can compete with the striking ability of a boxer, kickboxer or Muay Thai practitioner. MMA's striking is incredibly amatuerish when you compare it to the striking combat sports that I mentioned above. I watch MMA, boxing, Muay Thai but MMA has become increasingly difficult to watch. I hate its fanbase and I just cant seem to appreciate their striking skills as much as other sports like boxing or Muay Thai. I'd like to thank MMA because MMA/UFC in 2004 actually got me interested in boxing again and ive been a hardcore boxing fan ever since and always will. MMA fighters are(well some of them) are well rounded in that they can do a little bit of everything. But what they can do VERY WELL is ground fighting. Thats the background they come from. They are wrestlers, judokas, BJJ, Sambo. Im a striking purist and thats what I want to see. Thats why I love boxing, Muay Thai. If you want worldclass striking you simply do NOT watch MMA. In my opinion, MMA's rise to the top is FAR EASIER than boxing where many have hundreds of amatuer fights and 30 pro fights before they even get a sniff at a title shot. You have people entering the UFC with 7-8 pro fights and people winning the TUF reality show with absolutely NO PRO EXPERIENCE whatsoever. When people bring up who would win in a real fight, its debatable. A real fight UNLIKE MMA is unpredictable, without predetermined environments, rules, judges, crowds, refs, equipment, opponents. Some of the stuff they do in MMA can be COMPLETELY impractical in a real fight. I guarantee you if you ask ANY MMA fighter what theyd try to do in a real fight theyd say theyd try to keep the fight standing. Its what BJ Penn, Randy Couture, Bas Rutten have all said would be their gameplan. "To try to end it on the feet to avoid the ground." Because when you're on the ground you're vulnerable in many real life situations. People can come in and stomp on you or the surface may not be tailored to ground fighting ie. concrete, rocks etc. Even the pioneers of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu have said BJJ is impractical in many real life situations. What BJJ is effective in is MMA where the rules are tailored to ground fighting. MMA fighters have lost in REAL FIGHTS before. Some of them include Tito Ortiz, Don Frye, Sakurai. MMA is a sport. Just like boxing. They are both forms of sport entertainment. Despite MMA fanboys opinion, MMA does not simulate a real fight. No combat sport does. They are all just different forms of fighting and MMA just so happens to be the least limited but STILL with many rules to obide by. Give me a great boxing match over a great MMA match anyday of the week. Im still waiting for an MMA fight to match Margarito/Cotto. Hell, i'll take Pavlik/Taylor 1 over any MMA fight. Dont get me wrong there are some good MMA fights but the rules in boxing just enables it to be dramatic, with ebb and flow, sudden changes of momentum. In MMA, its different. A fighter is in trouble, he goes to the ground or the ref stops the fight. I'm done my rant.
Thats the thing. In a real fight thats all thrown out the window. In MMA, you have a guy like Brock Lesnar who is a mediocre striker and a fantastic wrestler. In other words hes ONE DIMENSIONAL. Just like some other UFC fighters who can USE ONLY their wrestling ability to win fights. What happened to the notion that MMA fighters have to be well rounded to win fights? You dont. In fact you can go VERY far in the sport if you happen to be athletic and a great wrestler because MMA is absolutely tailored to ground fighting. In a REAL fight, just like in boxing, MMA styles matter. But not only that the environment, situation makes a difference as well. And if Lesnar found himself exchanging punches with David Haye, Lesnar would be taking a nap. And unlike in MMA, Lesnar wouldnt be able to dictate where the fight takes place, the environment, situation dictates where the fight takes place, NOT the fighter. Ive read this story multiple times and im not sure how valid these sources are but I did read it from an MMA forum. Basically Legendary UFC fighter Royce Gracie challenged RJJ to a fight in MMA back in the 90's. RJJ said if im going to fight you, why dont we just fight outside on the street. Royce Gracie said NO. I guess rolling around on solid concrete isnt the same as rolling around on soft comfortable mats.
A guy at my workplace, only 17, but he trains in MMA and is supposed to be really good at it. I told him to throw a 4 punch combination, and it wouldn't have looked out of place coming from a girl. His straight right was ordinary, but he couldn't throw his left with any conviction, and was almost incapable of throwing a hook and a uppercut because of the angles you need to create to get leverage. This guy has been training for a year in MMA, and apparently he can't even throw a left hook.
HAHA, I have a very similar story. Ive been training boxing for about 2 years. I decided to just take a 2 week free trial at an MMA gym. So I go to the boxing class which is apparently training amatuer boxers and I was easily the best guy there. And im not even that good. At my boxing gym I routinely get KILLED by the better amatuers there. At this MMA gym, these guys could barely even throw combinations, their footwork was terrible, their conditioning was terrible. I actually sparred with some of the boxers there and I literally didnt even throw my right hand. It was an absolute joke, I threw nothing but jabs and uppercuts on these guys. The scary part was that the guys I was sparring were sporting like 4-0 MMA Amatuer records. Obviously its different once you reach a higher level of MMA but most of the guys you see in MMA, especially the wrestlers, BJJ guys have very mediocre striking skills. Just look at a guy like Tito Ortiz who couldnt even land a punch in his last fight. You put a guy with great hands in against that guy and that guy doesnt see the final bell. There are only a select few in MMA that id call well rounded. Literally only a SELECT few. I could count them on one hand.
I train with a professional MMA fighter everyday and I can tell you, boxing striking is COMPLETELY different from mma striking, you have to be prepared at all times for a takedown and other things. BTW Sparing a 4-0 MMA professional is nothing. Most MMA fighters are fed nobodies in their first fights.
