Bruno in the states?

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  1. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What if frank had gone to the states after the Bonecrusher Smith fight? .He was still very young for a HW would training and sparing in the US under a well know trainer make him more fluid and relaxed ? Would he have been a better fighter ? What do you guys think ?
     
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I don`t think Bruno understood the fundamentals in boxing, I don`t think he would have listened to a good trainer, I don`t think he was a good listener, he didn`t have natural speed either, I do feel he would have been a lot better if he had of trained with a trainer like McCraken who has steered AJ so well, he is a far more skilled and savvy fighter than Frank was.
     
  3. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why would you assume Bruno wouldn’t listen to a good trainer? He had one anyway in Lawless.
    Never understood the fundamentals? Bruno’s fundamentals were ok.
    I think Bruno probably did as well as he possibly could have.
    He was a dedicated fighter who gave of his best who just fell short at the very top level.
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He should have studied tape of all his losses and made adjustments.
     
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  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He would've done well with Manny Steward, but that goes for many.
     
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    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I suspect that he would always have come up against his natural limitations.
     
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    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't know that there's anything inherently British about standing slack-jawed with your hands down after being hurt by a shot. Not sure American trainers have the magic pill for that.
     
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  8. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He spent a lot of time in the US sparring early in his career, and before he turned pro even. He sparred with a 15 year old Tyson many times.

    I don't know if he'd of been able to execute explosive bob and weaves with all the slow twitch weight training he did. I know Manny Steward wanted to work with him though, so he said in a Boxing News interview after he took on Andries.
     
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  9. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Weight training isn't slow twitch. Fast twitch Vs slow twitch is more about force production (which has a trade off with endurance)

    Explosiveness and speed is more neural than muscle fiber types.
     
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    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's slow twitch when you train like Bruno did, sets of 50 reps short of failure with no free weights, locked into a machine. That's recruiting purely slow twitch fibres.
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Terry Lawless trained among others
    Bruno
    Jimmy Batten
    Mark Kaylor
    Maurice Hope
    Ralph Charles
    John H Stracey
    Charlie Magri
    Jim McDonnell
    Jim Watt
    John L Gardner
    Gary Mason
    Not a bad list.
     
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  12. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Steward worked a minor miracle with ironman Dennis Andries. But would Bruno being effective without the muscles ? As he biggest asset in the ring was his strength and power.