Can a chin improve

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  1. RebelBhoy

    RebelBhoy Active Member Full Member

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    Please forgive my ignorance on this. I honestly don't know the answer:

    Following on from the who has a glass jaw thread, I have heard it said that punch resistance can improve when you move up in weight (Mostly Haye and Khan fans).

    I have also heard it said that you can't do much about it if you have a glass jaw (Audley, Bernard Dunne)

    Are there any examples of people whose punch resistance has gotten better whilst remaining in the same weight class.

    If so, what can this be attributed to?
     
  2. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Unless the 'bad' chin is caused by something like stuggling to make the weight then any improvement will be marginal (strengthening neck muscles etc) although a fighter can concentrate on developing a defence or a style that will mean they ship less big shots.

    The jury is still out on the effect of moving up in weight will have on improving Khans chin, my opinion is that it won't significantly.
     
  3. Dan684

    Dan684 Dave's Stepdad Full Member

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    I think Khan will always be a 'little' chinny however I honestly see him being able to take a far better shot at 140 than he could at 135. I still think he'll come a cropper against the likes of Urango/Bradley but I do not think that the 140 equivalants of Limmond/Drilzane would be hurting him. If his defence stands up as well as it has been showing I think he'll do ok :good
     
  4. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    So now you've had both sides of the argument....;)
     
  5. GladiatoR

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    Haye's got a glass jaw?

    :think
     
  6. BamBam

    BamBam The Brick Fist Mafia Full Member

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    Don't think he said that. Just mentioned a glass jaw thread then mentioned Haye and Khan in relation to improving chins when moving up. Hayes whiskers are suspect. Even by his own admission.

    Am I the only one who remembers a post by him on here about getting hit on his 'chinny, chin, chin' :lol:
     
  7. GazOC

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    Its 'iffy', yes.
     
  8. punk

    punk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There is a mental aspect as well.
     
  9. DAVEMAKER

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    drilzane was at 140
     
  10. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Kind of. I think guys can just be healthier rather than magically improving. If your body is well hydrated and at its peak weight you should be stronger on fight night.

    I'm pretty sure Khan still has an egg chin because he's never been able to take a punch right from the ams and into the pros.
     
  11. trotter

    trotter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Without doubt drained fighters punch resistance will improve if they move up... not sure if that strictly equates to 'chin' though

    Someone like Cotto was wobbled by high shots etc when he was tight at 140, no sign of that at 147

    Can't help but think Khan was suffering similar issues, Prescott detonated bombs on him for sure - but the first jab of the fight steadied him... Gomez dropped him with a high cuffing shot

    Haye said he felt like he had no legs when he fought Mormeck

    Haye and Khan have inherent issues with taking punches

    So basically yes it can help to move up, but you aren't going to turn into Toney overnight
     
  12. cubex

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    Sometimes making weight and draining to much affects punch resistance,stamian,etc.

    Moving up helps,ex;Cotto.
     
  13. RebelBhoy

    RebelBhoy Active Member Full Member

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    Thanks everyone.

    Perhaps I should have broken it down into 'chin' and general punch resistance.


    I look at fighters like John Duddy who I think has an amazing chin and punch resistence, regardless of his other flaws. I felt the same about Margarito before Sugar Shane got to him.

    David Haye admits he felt drained to Mormeck, and was not ready for the long haul against Carl Thompson. I wasn't criticizing his chin, rather saying that it is an accusation levelled against him. I am a fan.

    Are there any boxers who have gotten better with strengthening the neck muscles like Gaz says?


    Is age a factor as well?
     
  14. cubex

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    Quetion:

    Do you guys believe Roger Mayweather generally had a glass chin or was he indeed affected by weigth loss?
     
  15. faisal

    faisal Hoolios daddy Full Member

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    hayes legs were gone when he fought Lolenga Mock who was a super middleweight journeyman watch the fight haye was stumbling around the ring and couldn't find his feet, this was early in his cruiserweight career when he had no trouble making weight the weight excuse for haye doesnt hold i personally feel he was hurt by monte barrete who threw a punch after the break.