can ortiz beat berto?

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  1. raxman

    raxman Member Full Member

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    the oz books have ortiz as a nearly 5-1 underdog head to head. i'd love to be convinced that ortiz has a shot. those sorts of odds in a two horse race always picque my attention.

    but can ortiz move up to 47 and beat berto. the lefty advantage isnt really there as berto has proven recently by beating all those left handed journeyman/gate keepers - collazo, urango and quintana.

    i'm not convinced by berto - but even less so by ortiz.

    what do you all think?
     
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  2. herbzg

    herbzg Euro-Level Athlete Full Member

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    Berto will destroy this poor athlete.
     
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  3. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    definitely, he will make it tough for berto im sure.
     
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  4. prelude

    prelude Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ortiz+Berto = Burrito
     
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  5. MrPR

    MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would not be surprised not 1 bit if Ortiz beats Berto.

    I wouldent even be surprised if Ortiz STOPS Berto.
     
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  6. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Yes but will he use the tools he has? Ortiz has the firepower and sharpness to stop Berto but he needs more focus and a killer instinct. I think Berto wins but I wouldn't be surprised if the train of upsets is still rolling along as it has been strong lately.
     
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  7. zico2010

    zico2010 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I reckon Ortiz will win. I'd honestly have this at 50/50 if i was a bookie. The odds for an Ortiz win are mental. Berto aint done **** against live opposition. Maidana is a tough hombre and Ortiz nearly had him out early.
     
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  8. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Berto has a huge speed advantage in this fight. However, Ortiz is a really live dog, especially at 5-1. If Ortiz pulls this one out, I would be mildly surprised. Not shocked. Just surprised.
     
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  9. hennyguzzla

    hennyguzzla Active Member Full Member

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    I don't think so. If he was a little more tough, maybe. The kid has skills, no doubt, but I don't think he will be able to take what Andre is going to give. I wanna see Collazo/Berto II!
     
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  10. AMERICANBORN

    AMERICANBORN Active Member Full Member

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    im very interested in this fight, i think ortiz really has ALOT to prove and he knows it, if he goes out i think it will be on his shield this time, at the odds hes getting ill lay money on ortiz as i think he has a fairly decent shot at pulling it off
     
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  11. Medicine

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    .......................Collazo kicked his ass.:deal
     
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  12. hennyguzzla

    hennyguzzla Active Member Full Member

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    :good I thought so, too.
     
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  13. Kel1981

    Kel1981 P4P No.1 Full Member

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    He will KO Berto in round 4.
     
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  14. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member

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    Ortiz is being fed to the wolves. Consider it a gift from Golden Boy to Al Haymon
     
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  15. slugger3000

    slugger3000 You Mad Bro? Full Member

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    I think the odds are a bit high... They should be 2 to 1 or 3 to 1!! Not 5-1..
     
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