Cotto vs Berto 154lbs

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  1. Chiko_Tech

    Chiko_Tech Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Berto manage to beat Ortiz in a rematch what do you think about Berto moving up to fight Cotto. Berto is a big welter so moving up would not affect him. This could be a solid fight for both. The winner could put him in a way better position to challenge the two top guys. For me Cotto by late stoppage in a competitive fight.
     
  2. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cotto beats him due to his superior timing, and brilliant jab.

    Very good fight though! I'd love to see it, though preferably at 147.
     
  3. Chiko_Tech

    Chiko_Tech Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I prefer at 147 too but Cotto would not move down in weight to fight a lees marketable fighter than him. I expect Cotto to move down to fight either Pac or May not Berto.
     
  4. motorcity

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    Cotto beats him and easier than people think. Berto is pretty overrated and never even been in the ring with someone of Cotto's caliber. Looking at their styles, Cotto is more slick than Berto. Berto was only billed as slick for people to say Pacquiao was avoiding him and because he is black. When you look at how he fights, he's not really slick at all. His defense is not even on Cotto's level and that says alot. Berto expects every opponent to wilt under his speed and power. When it doesn't happen, he folds and that's what happened with Ortiz. That said, I expect him to beat Ortiz this time.
     
  5. Jacory Harris

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    If the slow as molasses caveman was able to tag Cottoe at will imagine what Dre does to him. Dre TKO within 7 rounds easy.
     
  6. SouthpawJab

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    Cotto's gonna jump on his bike again.
     
  7. Boxed Ears

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    1. You're right, Berto isn't slick at all, and was overrated.
    2. I don't think Cotto beats him 'easier than people thing' just based on Cotto's history. He rarely does things easy. He's just not that kind of guy.
    3. I favour Cotto in the match up, for sure, and think the weight would not matter, as they are too similar in size, and if anything, Berto is built bigger, despite that he's been fighting at welter and Cotto at Light Middle.
    4. I think Ortiz is superior to Berto, as an athlete and boxer, but he's so ****ing unpredictable, I wouldn't even bet on the fight. I thought Berto would make him **** himself the first time. :conf Because of their mentality, though I thought the same, before, that Ortiz was superior, in everything but hand speed and grit.
     
  8. Henke67

    Henke67 One of the 45% Full Member

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    They're both a similar size, so I don't think it matters whether it's at 147 or 154.

    I like Cotto by decision. I think it plays out like his fight with Mosley, only more comfortable. Cotto's jab should keep Berto under control all night and when he gets inside, Cotto's better there too. Berto will have a little success with bursts of punches but, in the end, loses comfortably.
     
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    mayorga got his ass beat though
     
  10. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    The question I ask is “How does Berto beat Cotto?”

    Does he have the footwork necessary to walk Cotto onto shots, and to counteract Cotto’s own movement?
    No.

    Does he apply steady pressure and workrate?
    No, he gasses after the sixth round and starts pot-shotting.

    Does he have the offensive variety to take advantage of Cotto’s defensive flaws?
    No, he abandons his jab and throws wild hooks when he’s struggling to find the target.

    Does he have the power to stop Cotto?
    Possibly, but he’s never stopped a genuine world-class fighter so I’m not sure how he deals with a near-elite guy like the Puerto Rican.

    Does he have a good enough chin to take Cotto’s shots for twelve rounds?
    I’d say it’s unlikely. Ortiz hits harder than Cotto, I bet, but he’s so useless he walked into a range where he couldn’t get any leverage against Berto. If Ortiz had taken a step back when Berto was on the ropes, he’d have stopped him. Lesser fighters like Collazo have hurt Berto.

    Berto provides a stylistic gift to a fighter like Cotto. Miguel can work at his own pace, control the distance, use his jab-right combo to rack up points early on, then bring that left hook in once Berto gets more ragged.

    Berto will have some early success because Cotto is open and Berto is explosive for around four rounds. After the fifth though, this will be all Cotto. I’d expect a stoppage in rounds 8-10 or a wide points win.
     
  11. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    50/50 fight

    I think Cotto is ripe to lost to somebody he is clearly past it

    Berto is a guy I have never praised but he has skills and tools
     
  12. JMP

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    Andre Berto's 147 pounds of pure unskilled garbage. Cotto wins this, even if he is past his best days.
     
  13. Post Box

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    Been wanting to see this fight for a while now. Cotto wins in what could be a very exciting fight
     
  14. KO KIDD

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    Their styles would certainly mesh for an action kind of fight
     
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