Define Gift vs Robbery

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by round15, Jun 23, 2009.


  1. round15

    round15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Classic posters and boxing fans please tell me the difference between a gift decision and a decision that is pure robbery.

    Was Ken Norton robbed of the judges in the third fight with Ali, or did the greatest simply receive a gift decision?

    I don't believe Holyfield vs Lewis I was a gift for Holyfield but more of a robbery for Lewis.

    I believe Hearns was robbed of the rightful decision in his second fight with Sugar Ray Leonard. Leonard receiving a draw is a gift from the judges IMO.

    I believe Delahoya received a gift from the judges in his fight with Sturm, but was robbed against Trinidad. Some say he was robbed in the second fight with Sugar Shane Mosely.
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I think the examples you gave are reasonably fair. I myself don't have a concrete definition, but generally think that the two terms are often used interchangeably. In my opinion, Holmes vs Spinks II was more of a robbery than it was a gift. Ray Mercer's win over Tim Witherspoon in 1996 was probably close enough to where it could be considered a gift to Mercer rather than a flat out robbery.

    I guess it depends on who you talk to.
     
  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holmes/Williams: Larry was gifted (given the benefit of doubt) the decision, for services to boxing

    Holmes/SpinksII: Holmes was robbed.
     
  4. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    This stuff really winds me up, here's how i have always thought on this subject.

    I personally strive to give a rouns to one man or the other, no even rounds. I once read a book that put the emphasis on boxing having many aspects, so many in fact that in a round of boxing one man must have done something to edge his opponent, and that if a judge gives a round even it may be through his incompetency. Since then i have taken them words as 'the way' for me. Sweet Scientist though once on this board give me the best rationale explanation i have ever been given on why a round may be scored even, so i do remain open minded on the subject.

    Anyhow, even when a fight is ultra close, if i have given it the other way than have the official judges ringside, then i disagree with it just as much as a blatant 'robbery'. Simple as that, it's opinion.

    I hate this robbery/gift terminology.
     
  5. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They're one and the same, as far as I can tell.
     
  6. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    robbery-by gun-whitaker vs ramirez 1