[Deleted by user.]

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by cross_trainer, Jul 18, 2022.

  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2012
    Messages:
    27,151
    Likes Received:
    18,160
    Breidis weighed 21e when he beat Charr. He didn't bulk; he just didnt have to make weight.
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2009
    Messages:
    27,674
    Likes Received:
    7,658
    This shows to me that guys who fought at heavyweight in the Amateurs at 91kg are the real heavyweights. Everything else is a Superheavyweight.

    Please change the division names to match amateur boxing.
     
  3. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2010
    Messages:
    5,494
    Likes Received:
    3,722
    Yeah, I know, it's fashionable to ridicule the precent, and say it has never been worse - but is that really a fair way to describe today's heavyweights?

    If, for example, we look at the The Ring's 1930s world rankings, can we find a single year, where we would favour the Top-11 (champs included) to best The Ring's latest list of HW "pudding"?

    The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: Heavyweight--1930s - BoxRec

    Ratings - The Ring (ringtv.com)
     
  4. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2022
    Messages:
    2,536
    Likes Received:
    2,373
    the problem with today heavyweight contender is they do not get in boxing ring & box
    very very rare
    might be 1 fight in year
    might be 2
    sometimes is 0 fight

    cannot say same of most 1930s decade heavyweight contender.
     
    BCS8 likes this.
  5. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2010
    Messages:
    5,494
    Likes Received:
    3,722
    About that, we can not disagree!

    However, we're talking about "pudding" here... and I don't really see anything soft about guys like Joyce and Hrgovic, for example.

    Now take a close look at the buttom half of the 1930s rankings. Plenty of pudding there, I should say!
     
    FastLeft likes this.
  6. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2012
    Messages:
    61,539
    Likes Received:
    82,015
    There have been worse eras but I think that this is probably the worst since the 70s.
     
  7. Vic The Gambler

    Vic The Gambler Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2022
    Messages:
    967
    Likes Received:
    1,630
    I think Roy Jones Jr was the last under 200lb fighter to win a Heavyweight world title belt but that was almost 20 years ago.
     
    choklab and Bokaj like this.
  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2009
    Messages:
    27,674
    Likes Received:
    7,658
    yes 1938 or 1939. I favour Joe Louis to beat Tyson Fury. And Lou nova or Max Scmeling deserves a 50-50 chance versus Usyk. Then there’s Tommy Farr, Red Birman, Bob pastor, Roscoe Toles and Max Baer…all good fighters. When AJ can lose to fat Andy, Who are they going to lose against? Even Tony Galento beats the pants off half of the top ten today. Gus Dorazio might even win a fight too. He might get lucky.
     
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2022
  9. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2010
    Messages:
    5,494
    Likes Received:
    3,722
    I have no problem with Louis beating Fury... If anyone from back then could, it would most likely be Louis.

    Nova and Schmeling 50-50 against Usyk? Hmm... I have my doubts.

    Galento beating the pants off half of today's top 10? I would sincerely question that!

    And against whom do you think 5'11", 72" reach, 189lbs Dorazio "might get lucky"
     
  10. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2019
    Messages:
    8,547
    Likes Received:
    9,582
    Schmeling would definitely be competitive against Usyk. Nova probably not, but Max was legit great fighter with right style to trouble Usyk.
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    71,672
    Likes Received:
    27,385
    Lets take a look:

    2000 (end of year)
    Title Vacant
    1. This content is protected
    2. This content is protected
    3. This content is protected
    4. This content is protected
    5. This content is protected
    6. This content is protected
    7. This content is protected
    8. This content is protected
    9. This content is protected
    10. This content is protected
    2022 (as of July 23)
    Campion Tyson Fury
    1. Oleksander Usky
    2. Anthony Joshua
    3. Deontay Wilder
    4. Joseph Parker
    5. Dilliam Whyte
    6. Andy Ruiz Jr
    7. Luis Ortiz
    8. Joe Joyce
    9. Filip Hergovic
    10. Frank Sanchez
    This comparison shows what I expected, and that is that the average size of the top ten has increased.

    Yes there were big men in 2000, but there was a lot more diversity of sizes and styles, and there were still guys under 6' in the mix.

    Today it is pretty much all big heavyweights, with the odd exception.
     
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2022
    cross_trainer likes this.