Dempsey's punching power

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Turn away from the darkness! It's not too late!
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    I think rocky and tunney beat him but I am starting to think he does better against the field than those two.
     
  3. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And so do I...But as the philosoper said "it is what it is ".
     
  4. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think Dempsey was a relentless fighter with a hard, damaging punch in either hand. I don't know whether or not he hit with extreme power, but he put a number of people away in the early rounds, and he also had the ability, when the early KO didn't happen, to focus on beating his opponent up, and stiffling them with a continuous, swarming attack.
     
  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dempsey lovers are a sensitive lot, some of them at least.

    I'm not trying to tear down his legacy -- a knockout is a knockout regarless of how many times a guy got up (see Foreman-Frazier, no less devastating for Frazier's heart). Just had not seen this discussed and I have seen Dempsey described many times on this forum as one of the most devastating punchers of all time. To me he had good one-punch power but obviously not great one-punch power.

    If the neutral corner rule had been in effect earlier in his career, I suspect he'd have needed longer to take out some of his more resilient foes -- but I have no doubt that he would have still taken out Willard, Firpo, etc.
     
  6. RockysSplitNose

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    He dropped and convinced Sharkey that he didn't want anymore - and Sharkey beat some pretty tough nuts to crack fairly consistently - Floyd Johnson, Jim Maloney, Johnny Risko, George Godfrey, Harry Wills, Mike mcTigue, Tom Heeney, Jack Delaney, Young Stribling, Tommy Loughran, Max Schmeling, Mickey Walker, Primo Carnera etc - who until Joe Louis 10 years later actually stopped Sharkey?? Dempsey turned te trick when he was pretty much shot.

    Dempsey was also the only man to drop Gene Tunney and had him very hurt and but for te long count may well have stopped him again when he was far gone himself.

    He absolutely obliterated Jess Willard obviously (who in my opinion had one of thw beat chins in history aswell as obviously an insane capacity for absorbing continuous punishment) and in my book on any other day with any other referee that fight would've been stopped after the very first knockdown (2nd at the very latest) which tells you something about Dempseys power - and similarly with the Firpo epic I think most referees would've stopped that one probably after the 4th knockdown - the Fulton blowout is impressive in light of the fact that Sam Langford couldn't get to him and obviously the swiftness of that one indicates how instantly he could hurt you really badly - and obviously the 25 first round kos speaks for itself

    Even Carp - took Tunney 15 rounds to stop and past it Carp - and in reality if Dempsey had been let off the leash from the get-go the Carp may have not made it beyond 2 rounds in reality - who else either did or even would've been likely to do that to Carp?
     
  7. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon.

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    My impression is that even though he was 190, his speed, muscles, and technique made him punch like a man who weighed more like 220. His overall results were on a par with guys like Firpo, who also knocked out Jess Willard and Bill Brennan.

    What other notables did Dempsey KO? Georges Carpentier was also knocked out by Gene Tunney, Battling Siki, and Billy Papke, so an aggressive style and a good light heavyweight punch was enough to do for him. Tommy Gibbons went the 15 round distance against Dempsey and was only knocked out by Tunney. Jack Sharkey was KO'd by Dempsey, Louis, and Carnera in or after his prime. Louis weighed 199 and probably punched like 230 whereas Carnera was 260 lbs. So a guy with an estimated punch strength of your average 220 pounder would probably be enough to do the job, though interestingly Wills and Godfrey didn't accomplish this and that's approximately what they weighed against Sharkey.
     
  8. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    OE, excellent post...Dempsey was only about 190, day of the fight because
    in those days fighters fought at their lowest weight for speed and stamina.
    Dempsey was at 190 deceptive, as he had a narrow waist and dancers legs
    [unlike the heavily thighed Marciano]. His main forte was his swiftness and ferocity that got to his target before the bigger boys got to him...
    If i can use an analogy...In baseball there was a ballplayer named Dave Kingman who hit moon shot home runs, but hit for a low batting average.
    Players as Henry Aaron hit home runs NOWHERE as far, but he hit it OFTEN. Dempsey with his violent fast offense didn't" load up ", but his
    quick attack most often got there first, and anyone Dempsey hit he hurt...
     
  9. KidJackal

    KidJackal Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I can't see it really... I can't think of many ATGs id favour him over
     
  10. Ricky42791

    Ricky42791 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This ^^^^:bbb
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    A poor man's Nigel Benn.

    In fact I would pick Benn to finish him if Dempsey ever appeared for such a match.
     
  12. Theron

    Theron Boxing Addict banned

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    :emma So dramatic Seamus
     
  13. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dempsey was one of boxing histories all time greatest punchers. His punches had tremendous velosity and combine this with Dempseys ability to put his body weight behind each blow. Just watch the one punch kos of both Sharkey and Tunney in back to back fights. Yes I know officially Tunney got up from that punch but indeed he was down for nearly 15 seconds. Dempsey came a hairs breath from knocking out the No 2 contender and the heavyweight champion with one punch in back to back fights. Pretty impressive power.
     
  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I actually think they are very equivalent. Dempsey had a better beard, though.
     
  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    "One punch KO's"? He nailed Sharkey in the nutsack and when protesting caught his unprotected jaw.

    He hit Tunney with a combo, albeit a viscious combo, to put him down. Putting down 190 pounders with combo's, allowing them to rise KD you does not a great heavyweight puncher make.