Flash vs Fast.

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  1. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    I think people need a lesson in what handspeed actually is.

    Throwing punches in bunches ala Pacquaio/Calzaghe and Jones Jr demonstrates sustained flashy handspeed, you've got the opponent on the backfoot and you keep throwing punches, it looks impressive and makes you look fast.

    Throwing one off punches after your opponent has triggered their punch, that lands before the opponent lands their punch is real handspeed. That's the handspeed that means something in a fight because if you can't get the opponent on the backfoot, throwing a flurry will simply get you smacked in the mouth by a right hand.

    I believe Floyd is quicker than Pacquaio in that initial one off counter punch. I think he triggers quicker and I think his ability to move is quicker, you'll rarely see him caught by punches and the chances lessen as the fight goes on, while his punches landed get crisper and crisper.

    I think this is one of the "shocks" for people when they're in the ring with him, because he doesn't throw flashy aggressive combinations with his chin held high up in the air, he simply counters off the block or slip and then resets his position, similar to B-Hop.

    Why do so many people believe Pacquaio is quicker? He's not a noted counter puncher, he's a volume puncher. He's basically a mini Calzaghe in there with non-brittle hands.
     
  2. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Excellent post
     
  3. JASPER

    JASPER Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What is up with all of this Calzaghe ****?
     
  4. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think that Mayweather is quicker to pull the trigger, but Pacquiao has developed into a pretty good counter puncher. He put Hatton down with a counter, and both times he dropped Cotto was with counter punches thrown in the middle of Cotto combos, one of them while moving away.

    He doesn't look as slick as Mayweather doing it, but he's got very good timing as well, lately, and his speed is more than just punches in bunches.
     
  5. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Slanted post.
     
  6. stfuppercut

    stfuppercut New Member Full Member

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    agree with the speed thing, but pacquiao hand is def more loaded than calz. p4p wise a swipe from pacquiao is gunna hurt more than a swipe by calzaghe. thats what makes pacquiao unique.
     
  7. Terror

    Terror free smoke Full Member

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    I don't appreciate this biased drivel.
     
  8. J.R.

    J.R. No Mames Guey Full Member

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    :roll: So according to this guy Jones Jr. didn't have fast hands? What a garbage post.
     
  9. el mosquito

    el mosquito Boxing Addict banned

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    pugilisticpower would say anything to kiss mayweather's ass
     
  10. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You said a few good things but on of the exceptions of Manny being a little Calzage, Manny is a far greater fighter than Calzaghe.
     
  11. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Did you just compare Manny to Calzaghe?? That's a good one dude..
     
  12. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Its gotta take a real nuthugger to say floyd is fast but jones isn't.


    EDIT: AND to have calzaghe in the same ****ing post.
     
  13. mrtony80

    mrtony80 Likes thick chicks Full Member

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    I don't agree 100%, but good post.
     
  14. StreetsofRAGE

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    Mayweather does counter better, but him and Pac's hand speed is about the same I'd say.
     
  15. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Jones Jr was lightning fast, but I'm using him as an example where most people viewed his handspeed through his offensive action, not counter punching - He was very rarely a counter puncher, he normally got off first

    In fact, this is why he struggled later in his career, cause he wasn't getting off first.

    Calzaghe and Pac are very similar in their fight style. They both swarm their opponent, use their stamina to maintain a very high workrate and have many intangibles that make them more difficult to fight than they'd appear.

    Pacquaio has a bigger punch P4P but quite interestingly, their stoppage ratio is virtually the same, both average about 70% KO's per fight.

    Anyone discrediting Calzaghe needs to get over the fact that he beat up on fighters and retired unbeaten, the guy deserves mention.