Foreman-Cooney '80

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  1. clark

    clark Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Foreman and Cooney meet ten years earlier. Let's say Foreman gets
    into shape and has a few fights first. Same outcome as '90?
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Hard to say.

    The problem with any Gerry Cooney match-up is that I don't think we ever really found out how good of a fighter he truly was. The Norton and Lyle fights, though impressive, didn't give us much of a gauge to work with. The Holmes fight was competitve, but Larry seemed to be carrying him at times, plus Cooney had only fought perhaps once within a two year period prior to that match..... The Spinks fight of '87, and the Foreman fight of '90 are useless berometers. Perhaps a bout with a prime Trevor Berbick around 1981, would have given us a better reading..

    As for Foreman, there are questions to be asked as well. 1. How mentally focussed would he have been, and was a he ready to make a comeback so soon... His first career ended in '77, due to the fact that his head was no longer in the game.. 2. Would Foreman return to the ring in 1980, armed with the same new tools that he had in '87? Foreman and Moore worked together to improve George's defense, strait punches, energy conserving tactics, etc... These are all things that I think could have helped him against a prime Cooney...

    CONCLUSION: If George Foreman were to return in 1980, fully focussed and in shape to the point where he was in almost as good of form as the Frazier and Norton fights, then I think he KO's Cooney and probably early. If Foreman showed up like he did from about the Lyle fight to the Young bout, when his head wasn't screwed on right, then its possible that he misses his window of opportunity to stop Cooney early, and may get taken out late himself...
     
  3. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes, only quicker and Gerry would avoid a fight w/ him like the plague. but gerry would nutup to fight a comebacking richard dunn
     
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    :lol::good
     
  5. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yep...:yep

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  6. I am Legion

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    Probably:D
     
  7. clark

    clark Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yes, only quicker and Gerry would avoid a fight w/ him like the plague. but gerry would nutup to fight a comebacking richard dunn


    This assessment would make the victory of Larry Holmes over him(Cooney) not very meaningful.
     
  8. raiderjay

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    I'm a huge Foreman fan, so keep that in mind when I say that Cooney would stand a decent chance of a KO over Foreman under these circumstances. The question really being, does George have the mental toughness in this matchup that he did during his comeback? If he did, then I don't see anyone knocking him out. But if it was somewhere between the comebacking Foreman and the young Foreman, then Cooney very well could have gotten the KO.

    Remember that Foreman was seriously wobbled by Cooney in their fight, in fact worse than anyone else really hurt him during his entire 2nd career, from one shot. And that was from a version of Cooney who literally looked like a ghost of his former self.
     
  9. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes i would think so
     
  10. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cooney vs. Live Opponent = Bye Bye Cooney
     
  11. MAG1965

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    Interesting matchup. Better timing for Cooney than in 1990. I still say Foreman by 4th or 5th round knockout. Cooney would not be able to stand up to George's power for long.
     
  12. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    george would only need to connect once,and he would so,lights out.
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    I firmly believe even the comeback Foreman would have stopped the Cooney Holmes fought before Holmes did.
     
  14. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Didn't Cooney give prime Holmes his hardest fight as champion?
    (exclude Norton title bout)
     
  15. clark

    clark Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't believe Foreman was that hurt by Cooney in that first round.