Getting your responses from the Zakman playbook, and that's far from what I've been doing, would be far better than getting destroyed on facts and then saying, "I'm not reading that because you're stupid!" and running away from the debate.atsch
The fact that you, that ****wit Zakman and other chin dweebs appeared here at the same time is clearly no accident. Middle aged men trolling forums - how pathetic. STFU and train.
The fact that you don't know that a properly held rear naked choke doesn't constrict the larynx is enough to tell me that YOU should train. Now eat a dick, ****.:nut
Actually ***** I schooled you on your lack of knowledge on asphyxia and chokes in general and you ran like the glass jawed ****** you are.:rofl Guess Xbox doesn't give you all the in's and out's you armchair wanker. Mind you with the amount of **** your swallowing your are probably an expert on choking and gagging.:deal Henceforth to be known as MassagingMandible!
I'm not going to waste my time smashing my head into a wall to prove a point to a peon with an agenda. Fact is, a properly applied choke doesn't attack the airway, AT ALL, because the crux of the choke is on the carotid, hence it being a STRANGLEHOLD. This is the last time I'll waste a post arguing with you on this subject because anyone who wants to see who is right can google it or buy a BJJ book from the store. Or, you could apply commonsense and realize that if a minute or so underwater doesn't lead to most CPR'ed drowning victims being vegetables, holding a choke for a few seconds won't either.
Your a ****ing ******. Go get some actual experience in chokes you armchair ******. The fact that you suggest googling or buying a book shows you for the fraud you are. "A properly applied choke doesn't attack the airway at all". :rofl Your dumbest ****ing post of the week.
The pressure point of the choke is on the side of the neck, if you're constricting the airway there isn't enough pressure on the carotid to strangle the opponent. If your instructor taught you otherwise, he sucks and you should probably invest in some grappling books in that case. Good talking with you.
Nice theory, now tell me which choke allows you to control a resisting opponent and pressure his carotid artery whilst not constricting the airway? Is that the deadly thumb and forefinger choke?:rofl Nice theory Massagemandible but zero for reality.
You're digging yourself deeper and anyone that has half a grain of sense can search this and find it, but I'll make it easier. This is from Jiu-Jitsu Unleashed, on the "anatomy of the rear naked choke" section. I will readily admit that I was wrong on one particular, it's the jugular veins that are affected rather than carotid arteries, but I never professed to being a master of anatomy. "Correctly applied; the bend of the arm forms a V, when pulled to the rear, the opening of the V gets smaller and therefore tighter around the sides of the neck compressing the Jugular Veins. While a true choke can be accomplished which actually effects the airway / trachea directly (by using the forearm directly across the trachea), that is another technique, and still not a Carotid technique but a Trachea Airway technique." It really has been a blast owning you.:hi:
Thanks clown. Your knowledge of chokes is farcial - the answer you regurgitate is in relation to a rear naked choke. Of course every choke to you looks like a rear naked. You then go on to **** up even further; Still ****ing up the carotid - you cannot keep track of your ****ups and back pedalling. You then wake up and realise there are "true" chokes and they target different areas of the vascular and respiratory systems. "True" chokes - what a bull**** term - just your way of squirming out of again admitting your wrong. It's quite obvious you spend no time on the mat - ****ing Xboxer no doubt.
My god you are one thick ****. Did I not say "anatomy of a REAR NAKED CHOKE". You asked for an example of a choke that didn't affect the airway and you got it, then you claim that I cherry picked that one. What a fool you are. A triangle works the same way by pinning the opponent's shoulder into his jugular/carotid, once again, not a lick of airway constriction. What about an arm triangle? Same thing, opponent's own arm compresses the arteries. The only commonly used "choke" that would compress the airway is a guillotine and while the airway is compressed it once again works by the pressure on the sides of the neck. And no, "true choke" isn't a bull**** term in the least, CHOKE implies that the technique cuts off the airway, STRANGLE implies cuttting the blood. Every "choke" you've heard of in MMA/BJJ is actually a stranglehold and the term choke is a complete misnomer. If you had actually trained, read a book, or talked to someone knowledgeable before you'd realize that but instead you chose to come on here with your arrogant, pseudointellectual forum warrior attitude and try to win an argument without the slightest hint of a fact on your side and when presented with fact from a ****ing published book on grappling, you behave as if I made it up. You have GOT to be one of the dumbest ****s I've ever had the misfortune of conversing with.:roflatsch
Let me say, however, that your wannabe macho man act with all that angry "YOU NEED TO GO TRAIN!!!!!!!!" **** is unintentionally hilarious, made moreso by the fact that you've crossed yourself up several times and can't even see it. PIRA-Nice theory, now tell me which choke allows you to control a resisting opponent and pressure his carotid artery whilst not constricting the airway? Is that the deadly thumb and forefinger choke? Me- Rear naked choke and here's how it works. PIRA- Durr, that's a rear naked choke and probably the only one you know! GO TRAIN RRRRRAAAAWWWWRRRRR Dur hur hur Obviously public education in Australia leaves plenty to be desired because you've somehow reached the age at which you're allowed by yourself on the internet and yet you still can't read nor form a cohesive argument very well.
So I'm not decent for telling this mook the truth and then proving it? You're so pissed about my chin checking that you can't tell that I don't even harp on that **** most of the time and you blindly discredit ANYTHING I say simply because I insulted one of your heroes. From Wikipedia An air choke or tracheal choke specifically refers to a "true" choke that compresses the upper airway (trachea, larynx or laryngopharynx), hence interfering with breathing, and leading to asphyxia. Although less effective at inducing unconsciousness than its vascular counterpart, the air choke causes excruciating pain and air hunger, and in combat sports a fighter will usually submit to such a submission hold. Air chokes have been associated with fractures of the larynx or hyoid bone, and are considered less safe than blood chokes to practice. The common law-enforcement arm bar choke is an air choke done by placing the forearm across the front of the neck from behind. The free hand grabs the wrist and pulls back the forearm, hence driving the forearm (usually the radius bone) into the front of the neck. The Air choke tends to be considered less effective due to the way that it is commonly performed; a properly performed air choke is just as fast as a blood choke. Rather than going directly into the windpipe, they attack the nerve that causes the gag reflex. Blood chokes, carotid restraint or sleeper holds, are a form of strangulation that compresse one or both carotid arteries and/or the jugular veins without compressing the airway, hence causing cerebral ischemia and a temporary hypoxic conpdition in the brain. This content is protected A well applied blood choke may lead to unconsciousness in a matter of seconds. Compared to traditional manual strangulation, properly applied blood chokes require little physical strength, and can be applied successfully by a smaller person. Who's the fool now?