Frazier vs other ATG

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  1. fg2227

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    Who would you fancy him to take?
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Prime for prime I would pick him to beat anyone that couldn't KO him.
     
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    Holmes,paterson,louis and marciano.
     
  4. McGrain

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    Over 15:

    Jim Jeffries
    Jack Johnson
    Harry Wills
    Max Baer
    James Braddock
    Joe Walcott
    Ezzard Charles
    Rocky Marciano
    Muhammad Ali
    Larry Holmes



    Guys I think would get him include:

    Lennox Lewis (close fight)
    Mike Tyson
    Joe Louis
    Jack Dempsey
    George Foreman, maybe:yep
     
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    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In which group would Liston belong, Mac? (Can I call you Mac?)
     
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    The fighters I'd favour Frazier to beat (from my top 20) are:

    Marciano
    Dempsey
    Patterson
    Walcott (close'un)
    Schmeling
    Bowe
    Charles (close)


    50/50-ish:

    Tunney
    Jeffries
    Jackson
    Wills
    Holyfield


    Frazier loses to:

    Foreman
    Liston
    Louis
    Lewis
    Tyson
    Ali
    Holmes
    Johnson
     
  7. fg2227

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    Does anyone know how the holmes-frazier sparring went, just wondering.
     
  8. Ezzard

    Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Like this split
     
  9. McGrain

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    Liston should be favoured over Frazier pretty clearly

    :lol:

    Sure!
     
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    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Lewis against Frazier would be comical viewing.
     
  11. Claus Holmen

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    The Joe Frazier who defeated Ali (1971) would´ve have beaten Joe Louis (pts 15), Patterson (KO 1), Larry Holmes (pts 15), Mike Tyson (KO 8), Rocky Marciano (TKO 10) and Dempsey (pts 15).
    George Foreman had his number. Keeping Frazier off-balance Foreman prevented Frazier from fireing bombs.
    Brian Nielsen ........:-( :-( :-( :-(
     
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    Yeah, Lewis had a funny way of falling !
     
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    It had early Liston stoppage all over it, even quicker than Foreman maybe. Thing is that if Frazier survived past about the fourth or fifth and hing in there the tide could perhaps convievable turn for him ... but Frazier was mostly a slow starter and Liston holds most of the aces here.


    Frazier is saved by the ref/his corner in the 4th after a few knockdowns.
     
  14. Claus Holmen

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    According to Holmes he completely outboxed Frazier during their sparring-sessions.
    He may be right - Holmes always looked great in sparring. Even aginst Ali (1973 and 1974) he looked like the champion outjabbing Ali.
     
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    I hate disrespecting Frazier, but there are just a few matches I can't see him winning and this is one of. Lewis was bigger and just as strong as Foreman, hit equally as hard too with better delivery and boxing fundamentals. He was also faster and a better athlete. Frazier was very tough and of course could punch, but Lewis would keep away from his left hook and look to land big bombs himself before Frazier gets going, the uppercut is going to spell trouble for Frazier too. I think Lewis would pore it on early and get his punches off first.


    Lewis by KO around the 3rd or 4th.