Henry Armstrong - greatest puncher

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  1. Manassa

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    Give me your arguments against - I'm sure there will be plenty.
     
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    Not massively concussive with one punch.
     
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    His single punch power is not that impressive compared to other great punchers. He tended to rely on attrition, rather than the one shot finish like other punchers such as Louis or Robinson.
     
  4. Manassa

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    Concede that - but did he have to have one shot power? Probably underrated slightly in that area anyway, but regardless, isn't the objective of a puncher just to disable his opponent? Most times, Armstrong got that job done.
     
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    It was more a case of throwing lots of punches. If your throwing so many punches and have the style and stamina to do so you'll wear your opponent down eventually.
     
  6. Manassa

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    Exactly. Not many people have that combination. Twenty seven consecutive knockouts - and a 59-1-1 (51) record over three years and three weights - is not to be ignored. Armstrong was hurting people, whatever his method. Mostly, the only people who really survived were either a lot bigger (Garcia), or tough and great defensively (Arizmendi, Ambers, Ross).
     
  7. Manassa

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    I feel that Armstrong's punching prowess is very, very underrated, mostly due to the fact that every piece of footage we have is of him winning on points.
     
  8. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    You must know he is not the greatest puncher in the true sense, a proper banger like a Louis, Hearns, Robinson, Foreman or Tyson but on volume punching he might very well be the best ever since we dont have footage of Greb.
     
  9. Manassa

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    Not a true banger of course, although again, I'll say Armstrong is probably underrated in that area, as he had a reputation among his contemporaries for possessing quite a whack, even if it wasn't on the Bob Foster scale. He seemed to have a more reliable knockout method though, and yeah, that was volume. It worked.

    I get the feeling that if we had more footage of Armstrong back from his lighter days, our opinions would change drastically. He'd be more on the 'ingenius young athlete' side of Robinson and Pep rather than the 'steady old great but-not-quite-phenom' of Napoles and Williams...
     
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    Hagler-level puncher
     
  11. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    He was a puncher in an accumulative way. Arguably the best pressure fighter on film and I guess so since he's a greater swarmer than Frazier was. Nice head movement inside and always pressed the fight I love looking at Armstrong but I wish there was more footage of him such as both fights with Ambers. He also fought Robinson but people forget that because Armstrong was way past it by then while SRR was in his prime.
     
  12. Manassa

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    You're all mentioning the volume punching, but what about the results? Armstrong, in his prime, was knocking people out all over the place.
     
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    That he was. For the record, there's nothing like watching an intelligent boxer break someone down. It takes focus & commitment and I would take watching that over an early ko anyday. Nothing like a puncher behaving like a surgeon and just picking their shots wisely to eventually stop their opponent. Beauty. I love those Cotto-Hagler-Trinidad-Duran kind of punchers. Trinidad & Duran could spark guys out but that was mainly in the later rounds but I prefer surgeons anyways. Nothing like intelligent pressure & shots.
     
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    Do you think this was due to him wearing them down first?

    Saying that, the twenty seven consecutive knockouts you mentioned were mostly in the early rounds. I guess you'd have to look more into his opposition to see how impressive this really is.
     
  15. El Bujia

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    Precisely why I agree with Manassa's point on him being quite underrated as a proper banger. By all accounts, his "black-out punch" was a force to be reckoned with all in its own.