I absolutley agree with you. Though he beat some very good fighters, he never got a Sugar or an Armstrong so what you say is true. I have him behind Greb and Sugar at middle head to head and that's it. Post war, i have him top ten pound for pound.
Well there are different types of duck for sure. I don't mean to imply that he was scared of Burley - not for a second. But Burley was ranked, the best around, and Armstrong didn't take him on.
Nothing special, I just went on the site and searched it. You need to pay to read more, that's just the first paragraph.
interesting, it depends what criteria people use when ranking P4P, as some go off H2H, Opponents beat, Significance and all of the above. why do you separate, pre/post world war 2 rankings, your not alluding to a certain paradigm shift are you :hey
Not me pal! What it is is; the job is just to big for me. When I try to join up my pre(very short) and post(a bit bigger) lists together I start losing the plot and throwing things about, shouting at nothing, then the mrs goes "what is it that's wrong with you this stuff isn't important then I have to spend 10 minutes explaining why it is imporatant, and by the end of the tirade i've done nothing but convince myself that it just isn't important. Breaking the lists in two just makes it more manageable. As far as that whole shift thing goes, i just don't see it. I think the top men of 1900 would beat the bottom men of 2000 and vice versa.
No i'm not. He did. You can say "failed to fight" if you like, like I said to Manassa, there are different kinds of duck. I'll say it again: Burley was the best, Armstrong didn't fight him. In Armstrong's defence, Burley had a load of hand problems around that time and was out of the game for five months, a long time in those days as you know. There is some truth in this - but here we have an occasion where Armstorng fights one fighter who lost out 2-1 in a series (which almost certainly should have been 3-0) instead of the winning fighter. That would actually not be seen as acceptable these days. Arizmendi was the first one. After that Burley was out of the picture with hand injuries and was in and out of the ring. Armstrong did that amazing thing with Garcia. Then there was Furr, which was a bit ridiculous, before the Zivic thing which was heinous.
Zivic held Burleys contract,he bought it after fighting him ,some say to use Burley as a"Policeman",others so that he could avoid Burley himself.
Towards the end Armstrong may not have been the perpetual motion dynamo he had been but I thinkhe was still formidable ,the problem was greedy management kept him fighting when he should have been resting,and letting the scar tissue around his eyes heal.
Yes, but not until after he came to the title. Though the Armstrong "duck" was probably the one that really finished Burley's chances at being champion (perversely), Zivic buying his contract was pretty much the nail in the coffin. Zivic sent him all over the country to keep from fighting him. Basically there were two welters from the same city, one clearly better than the other, with the weaker fighter having somehow come to the title and now owning his nearest rivals contract. F*cking disgusting is the only way to surmise that situation really.
She tends to roll her eyes as another picture is sneaked in, they are mostly in my stairway and landing, I try to make sure they look classy
Thats the one I'd go for, I'm hoping (fingers crossed) that there are still tickets left when my birthday comes around, I'll let you know