If Evander Holyfield wins a fifth title does it put him above Lennox Lewis in terms of Heavyweight ATG?
No. While winning an alphabet title againstd a nobody at 44 may be impressive, it is still winning an alphabet title against a nobody.
I dont put much stock in these alphabet titles. But Holyfield is arguably going to be ranked as great or greater than Lennox Lewis on an all-time ranking list. Even if he does nothing else in his career it's already debatable. It's a close call between the two, IMO. We'll see where Holyfield stands if and when he retires for good.
You should get your noggin checked for down syndrome if you think Holyfield is ranked higher than Lewis all-time at Heavyweight. Not to mention their head-to-head encounters, Holyfields resume at Heavy isn't close to Lennox's.
Holyfield is already above Lewis, in my eyes and most peoples eyes. Winning a 5th title would put him over on everyones list.
Holyfield is fringe top 10 all time for me. Lewis is #3 right behind Ali, and Louis. And Holyfield beating Ibrahgimaihgnov isn't going to change ****.
if Evander Holyfield wins a fifth Heavyweight title and does so in a Holyfield kind of way, He may end up being rated the best Heavyweight of all time.
Why will this win count in his all-time standing but the losses to Ruiz, Booker and Toney are overlooked?
Actually Holyfields resume is better, dont forget he was also the undisputed Cruisweight Champion. Holyfield has the deeper competition on his resume, and Lewis btw only beat him once officially. Tarver beat Jones 2x does that mean he should be higher than JOnes AT? The answer is no.:hi:
Clearly that was a dimishing Holyfield. And they would count just as much as Lewis' 2 losses to McCall and Rahman.
If you count Holy´s cruiser titles, maybe he deserves to be ranked higher than Lewis, but if you are just talking about greatest heavyweights, Lewis is pretty far ahead. Lewis key wins: Holyfield (realistically twice), Tyson, Golata (never the same), Vitali, Tua, Rahman, Ruddock (ruined), McCall, Bruno, Grant (ruined), Mercer, Morrison, Botha Losses: McCall (avenged by TKO), Rahman (avenged by KO) Holyfield key wins: Tyson x2, Bowe, Moorer, Douglas (ruined, but was woefully out of shape), Mercer, Foreman (old), Holmes (old), Dokes, Ruiz, Rahman Holyfield losses: Bowe x2 (1 by KO), Moorer, Lewis (realistically x2), Ruiz, Toney, Byrd, Donald
Exactly. Holyfield fought two of the other top guys in his era - Bowe and Tyson when it MATTERED, not when they were way past their best, AND he was never starched in the early rounds by second-rate opposition. If he wins another alphabet title, it will not just be unjustified to rank him below Lewis, it will be ridiculous.:yep
You forgot to add that in the rematch with Moorer Evander avenged that by TKO, and the first fight there was questionable in terms of the scoring the Ruiz fights Holyfield won atleast two of them, what doesnt look good for Holyfield is his losses to that Steriod user Toney and to Donald and the Byrd fight. Hell you could even make a case for Evander in his rematch with Lewis.